TailWindHome
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I do enjoy this use of the word 'confirm'
EU & Brexit Bunker
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Pinno718
Guru
Missed that though my bad as I don't spend much time in the bunker. Perhaps I should but you know my feelings about Brexit anyway. If the Brexit campaign was financed by external people like Thiel, then the undermining of Democracy by the wealthy is a grave implication.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
Just like the lobbies influencing the current EU you mean? to which the EU answer by funding counterlobbyist, instead of just saying ''maybe poeple trying to buy influence isn't an great idea''. It leads to situations where you have someone overseeing fair competition giving one party known as uber an favorable deal only to work for them soon after she stopped working for the EU.
I know it's easy-er to blame the likes of Farage and such but the whole reason that Brexit happened, and that Nexit would have been a potential outcome is things like that.
On paper the EU is an great idea in practice it has sadly only became more rotten and corrupt. And no that's not to say the uk after brexit is all that great. I think the uk's position in the EU was good for the EU as the Uk was kind of the one pulling the brakes. the one asking the questions ''should we really want this/'' and things like that.
I stand by my view that the EU would have worked better if it wasn't somekind of united states or europe but more a economical and political coorperation. and yes known i will get tons of quotes asking me what the eu actually is, so i will save that hassle. Context is keyword here, i know the EU now is in fact an economical and policital cooreperation. But for example if the EU boss fell it's needed to travel to a member state to say 'if memberstate Y makes choice X that would be in existential crisis for the EU'' that is the problem in my view it should have been just a few laws that are synced so that we can have for example free travel of people, trade deals and stuff. But the current eu has so much control that a conspiracy theory in a other topic about the eu influencing dutch politics (amongst others) which is off course not true or at the very least not proven but we got to this point where the laws (directives for the smart @rsses) cannot even theoritically do that. Which is scary if you value free speech. And yes the UK doesn't do much better.
the snail
Active Member
The main driver of brexit was austerity and failure of government to deal with those left behind and ignored for decades. Farage and Co. exploited people's grievances with his populism and xenophobic lies. The brexit vote was a protest vote against the government more than anything. The majority of people neither knew nor cared about what the EU did beyond vague ideas of directives about bananas etc. There has been a section of the public about 1/3 who have consistently been anti EU, the rest are either apathetic or in favour.
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
Just for old times' sake... this popped up on my BS timeline
PurplePenguin
Senior Member
Rick is right and history has largely been consistent on that point. There used to be freedom of movement in the commonwealth. Before that there was a period when there was no restriction at all.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
But it wasn't only the UK the ukis the only now former member state who has held an referendum, but the call and or dissent with the eu was in most of western europe. I think it has much more to do with the reasons for this ''austerity'' which is the crisis in which normal poeple saw banks all being rescued while they get declared bankrupt and things like that of they don't pay their bills.
It was alsothe time when we heard a German prime minister(bundskanselier) speak for all or europe when she said ''wir schaffen das'' (we can do it) in regards to hunderds of thousands of people flee-ing war torn Syria. Off course Farage and friends then use that to this to create a false narrative that it are all criminals muslims extremist and that they come to take jobs from people who have never worked in their life.
Having said that on the old forum, and in many different topics here aswell as withnessed by some of the terror attacks we have seen in europe in the past 10 year, vetting of who comes in and if they are whom they say they are etc.etc. has failed miserablely nd if you said that 10/15 years ago when this all started you would have been branded a racist. No one in europe has ever taken accountablilty for it(in regards to politics), let alone tried to fix the issue, so the problem stays. Along with the fact asylum seekers still can't work while their application is being processed which can take years. Which makes it easy points for farage and co to shoot at, it's like putting a ball in front of a goal without a goalkeeper.
And it's also not like we haven't been warned Isis was very clear at the time, they said very clearly they would send in terrorist's pretending to be asylum seekers.
If people really didn't care about the EU that would be great to be honest then it would do it's job without intefering to much with local politics. A bit like it was before the euro we got all the benefits of open borders but not all the 301 directives on bananas or vacuum cleaner.
The consistenly anti-eu is the same like hardcode robinson/fararge fanboys and their counterparts in other countries but those do not get you an majority vote, both in the Netherlands and here in the uk a majority voted against the EU in the Netherlands it was about the eu constitution.
But in both cases their where pro and against eu parties, trying to get their point across and the EU's behavior in my view helped the anti vote a lot.
Quite impressive to make something with so many advantages on paper apparently so much of a negative sound to it that we end up like this.
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
Plus whoever wrote out the quote, it should be 'bloc'.
BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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Quite, Farage and Co are a product of the situation which was allowed to develop, not a cause. Sadly, none of the other parties seem to realise this, and/or have a plan to deal with it.
Pblakeney
Legendary Member
The unfortunate part is that neither does Farage and Co should they get into power.
Promising unicorns is not a viable plan.
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briantrumpet
Pharaoh
Well, to be fair, it does seem to be a viable plan for winning elections and referendums.
Pblakeney
Legendary Member
Yes indeed. Sorry, I meant for what happens after the "win".
