EU & Brexit Bunker

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I don't really understand this sort of snide sarcasm. It's possible to believe the UK should never have left the EU whilst accepting that there have been benefits from Brexit. It's not a religion. You can sin a few times and acknowledge positives.

Fair, it wasn't intended as snide, just my sense of humour. I would say though that in the particular case of an industry like fishing, which was heavily targeted by Leave as an sector that would benefit greatly from leaving the EU, I don't really see a positive. Nor would it seem, do those within the fishing industry itself.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Yay, sand eels are saved, it's all been worth it, £100bn and all.

OK, that's snide sarcasm, I'll grant you that, but seriously, if that's your argument for why Brexit Is Slightly Good, then snide sarcasm might be justified, I'd suggest.

FWIW, for the millionth time, I'm not claiming everything the EU has ever done or will do is perfect, but, on balance, it's Considerably Less Shit than some mythical sovereignty.

I don't know. You seem to always start these discussions then end them in the same way. The UK did gain more control. The UK lost full access to the single market.

If you want to complain for the millionth time that the UK has lost access to the single market, then feel free to complain about it, but I don't understand the point of complaining about the UK not getting more control when it clearly has. Of course, you don't think that it was worth it.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Fair, it wasn't intended as snide, just my sense of humour. I would say though that in the particular case of an industry like fishing, which was heavily targeted by Leave as an sector that would benefit greatly from leaving the EU, I don't really see a positive. Nor would it seem, do those within the fishing industry itself.

The fish are the main beneficiaries. They didn't even get to vote for Brexit.

 

[Mr Celine]

The traditional answer to this is , "go on then - list the Brexit Benefits"

Thus far I am not aware of anyone being able to find one.

You can get a half lobster in Edinburgh restaurants for less than the price of a steak. Before brexit they were mostly exported live, post brexit each individual lobster needs a vet's certificate so not worth doing.
Whilst the lobsters and I may see that as a benefit I doubt the fishermen do.

 

[Stevo 666]

I don't know. You seem to always start these discussions then end them in the same way. The UK did gain more control. The UK lost full access to the single market.

If you want to complain for the millionth time that the UK has lost access to the single market, then feel free to complain about it, but I don't understand the point of complaining about the UK not getting more control when it clearly has. Of course, you don't think that it was worth it.

It won't change it anything, but moaning ad infinitum about Brexit makes some people feel a bit better. It also seems to be a wider theme in this forum.

 

[Pross]

I don't know. You seem to always start these discussions then end them in the same way. The UK did gain more control. The UK lost full access to the single market.

If you want to complain for the millionth time that the UK has lost access to the single market, then feel free to complain about it, but I don't understand the point of complaining about the UK not getting more control when it clearly has. Of course, you don't think that it was worth it.

We've gained theoretical control but in many ways we are still having to follow EU rules if we want to keep trading with them so we haven't gained the "freedom" the Leave proponents were going on about. Chuck in that in many sectors even though they can technically work to their own UK standard they want to sell the same product in the EU and it's not worthwhile creating separate products for the EU and UK markets so a lot of the control is illusory

 

[bobzmyunkle]

It won't change it anything, but moaning ad infinitum about Brexit makes some people feel a bit better. It also seems to be a wider theme in this forum.

F*CK off @Stevo 666, you won. Now we're just saying admit it was stupid (obvious to anyone with half a brain) and rejoin.

 

[briantrumpet]

F*CK off @Stevo 666, you won. Now we're just saying admit it was stupid (obvious to anyone with half a brain) and rejoin.

Who's moaning?

 

[secretsqirrel]

Edit: Trumpet beat me to it

Have this instead

 

[briantrumpet]

Edit: Trumpet beat me to it

Have this instead

Sand eels, FFS! These farmers ned to get their facts straight!!

 

[icowden]

You say this in response to a mention of two Brexit benefits.

I must have missed them. Perhaps you could enumerate - please make sure that there was no way that these things could have been done before Brexit.

 

[briantrumpet]

https://bsky.app/profile/larryandpaul.bsky.social/post/3moxsoxwl7k2b

 

[Pblakeney]

I must have missed them. Perhaps you could enumerate - please make sure that there was no way that these things could have been done before Brexit.

As I said over on BR at the time, all the things that Brexit was supposed to fix were already in control of Westminster but they chose to blame the EU rather than do what the public wanted.
Here we are with full sovereignty and yet…

 

[PurplePenguin]

I must have missed them. Perhaps you could enumerate - please make sure that there was no way that these things could have been done before Brexit.

I have done already. One of the two things I mentioned ended up in arbitration, because the EU didn't want the UK to do it.

 

[briantrumpet]

At least I didn't use this one. Well, not till now...