glasgowcyclist
Über Member
Civil disobedience has been used many times to achieve a change in law and a better society.
We need more of it.
We need more of it.
So you would celebrate if the court says ''whoopie'' you ignored injuctions, that is against the law, but we don't feel like enforcing it so there you go walk away bye bye? And if so are you aware of the precedent that would create? i mean why would an insulate now group be allowed but a ''we want to eat cake and block the m25 protest'' not? Or anything more extreme.
It's just not how law should work.
I help to block the M25 at least once a fortnight. Lemon drizzle please.I can get behind this as well, to be fair.
Yes.Civil disobedience has been used many times to achieve a change in law and a better society.
We need more of it.
They have a direct target. They want an investment of 10 billion to insulate Britain.Yes.
'Insulate or die' is not a banner I can empathise with, but if Insulate Britain could move to direct targets - such as housing associations and energy providers - I would support them.
So far, the Government has spent 4.3 million on policing the protests, 8.7 Billion on PPE that couldn't be used, 37 Billion on a useless Test and Trace system and written off 4.3 Billion in bogus Covid loans."An estimated spend of £10billion to improve the 'poor' housing in England could save the NHS £1.4billion p.a. and has been estimated to pay for itself in just over seven years and then accrue further benefits (CCC 2019)."
By direct I mean match the protest target to the objectives. They are not protesting about roads.They have a direct target. They want an investment of 10 billion to insulate Britain.
They say:-
So far, the Government has spent 4.3 million on policing the protests, 8.7 Billion on PPE that couldn't be used, 37 Billion on a useless Test and Trace system and written off 4.3 Billion in bogus Covid loans.
Suddenly that 10 billion doesn't look like a bad idea...
Maybe if the Government were to meet with them and agree to bring forward legislation to achieve their aims, start to offer more grants, legislate for new homes to be better insulated - then the protests would stop.
But no... lets waste millions sending people to prison for 2 weeks.
I can get behind this as well, to be fair.
Whilst that's true, I think most protests try to focus on disruption for publicity rather than matching their protest to their objectives. Sometimes there can be a synergy, but more often not.By direct I mean match the protest target to the objectives. They are not protesting about roads.
Sure but this is something else, it's not that they where not allowed to protest after weeks of disruption they wanted them to search a more suitable place. Party in Boris's garden for example.Civil disobedience has been used many times to achieve a change in law and a better society.
We need more of it.
Topic is about ignoring an injunction forbidding to block the in this example m25. Not a protest on itself.I help to block the M25 at least once a fortnight. Lemon drizzle please.
10 Billion in a pointless money pit sounds like a lot to me. and no summing up other pointless money pits doesn't make it any better.They have a direct target. They want an investment of 10 billion to insulate Britain.
Would you mind checking whether I have a flight to catch first? I don't mind buying the cake....I can get behind this as well, to be fair.
I'm no expert but I imagine you'd spend some of the 10bn on hiring some surveyors and architects and the like to make sure you did it properly.10 Billion in a pointless money pit sounds like a lot to me. and no summing up other pointless money pits doesn't make it any better.
If you start brainlessly insulating every building you can depending on the area start mouldew treatments the next month.
That's pretty daft, even by your standards. With gas prices set to soar, the payback on insulation will be much quicker. And insulation reduces condensation. Insulate Britain are right on the money imo.10 Billion in a pointless money pit sounds like a lot to me. and no summing up other pointless money pits doesn't make it any better.
If you start brainlessly insulating every building you can depending on the area start mouldew treatments the next month.
Insulate Great Britain was never a slogan to get the UK public to buy into, it is a bit niche.
This is not to say it is not important, but I don't believe it outrages people,
Nice rant, but really nothing to do with the point I was trying to make about the tactics of Insulate Britain and how going to jail might be a more extreme but necessary part of those tactics. No pain, no gain after all.This is an odd take right now, on the day Rishi Sunak announces he's gonna force people to borrow money for their heating bills, like some kind of creepy billionaire loan shark.
Still, at least we've got Labour's pledge to take utilities back into public ownership. Oh, wait... Oh well - we can all wrap ourselves in nice toasty flags. And when we find ourselves sleeping rough on a chilly night, Boris and his mates might come along and burn a wad of cash in our faces.