Gender again. Sorry!

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Brilliant! In a match between one shorter player and one taller player, you are going to adjust the height of the table between turns and never disturb the balls. Making the table taller with a a height adjustable surrounding platform might work ... however, think through the ramifications eh?

We have so many modern techniques if there is a will there is a way, either with form example strong magnets that can keep the balls in place with an press of the button or a system dat places the balls exactly back where they where, we again have the technology todo that precisely

That graph would be cool too.

Well go ahead, make the graph? ooohh what's that you? thrown the ball back because it won't favor your point would it?

 

[classic33]

We have so many modern techniques if there is a will there is a way, either with form example strong magnets that can keep the balls in place with an press of the button or a system dat places the balls exactly back where they where, we again have the technology todo that precisely

Well go ahead, make the graph? ooohh what's that you? thrown the ball back because it won't favor your point would it?

The balls used in pool have no iron/steel core. Magnets wouldn't work.
"An press of a button" is open to abuse, and claims that the game has been manipulated. How often have you seen a ball just stop short of a pocket, or just fall in after it seemed to be safe.

You're the one who offered to do the graph. Why ask others to do what you said you could do.

 

[monkers]

We have so many modern techniques if there is a will there is a way, either with form example strong magnets that can keep the balls in place with an press of the button or a system dat places the balls exactly back where they where, we again have the technology todo that precisely

Well go ahead, make the graph? ooohh what's that you? thrown the ball back because it won't favor your point would it?

You have a vivid imagination, though one that is not in touch with the realities of life.

 

[CXRAndy]

You have a vivid imagination, though one that is not in touch with the realities of life

Says the one with a fictional friend 😂

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

The balls used in pool have no iron/steel core. Magnets wouldn't work..

I sad we have so many modern techniques magnets was just an example so if that doesn't work there are many other ways.

"An press of a button" is open to abuse, and claims that the game has been manipulated. How often have you seen a ball just stop short of a pocket, or just fall in after it seemed to be safe.

It was just an example of how it could work, in an competitive environment the way that button is pressed should off course be limited to a few persons, to ensure no one can cheat.

You're the one who offered to do the graph. Why ask others to do what you said you could do.

No @AndyRM is asking for things he bloody well knows, as does everyone because the separate graphs are very public and show exactly what i said before, if he wants to put them all together it's on him to do that, won't change the results. and he knows that.

 

[AndyRM]

I sad we have so many modern techniques magnets was just an example so if that doesn't work there are many other ways.


It was just an example of how it could work, in an competitive environment the way that button is pressed should off course be limited to a few persons, to ensure no one can cheat.




No @AndyRM is asking for things he bloody well knows, as does everyone because the separate graphs are very public and show exactly what i said before, if he wants to put them all together it's on him to do that, won't change the results. and he knows that.

You brought the graphs up, not me.

If these graphs are so readily available to the public, let's have a look at them.

ETA: I've never seen them, but I'm genuinely interested.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

You brought the graphs up, not me.

If these graphs are so readily available to the public, let's have a look at them.

ETA: I've never seen them, but I'm genuinely interested.

you never seen the results of any given events but to limited it down a bit lets limit it to cycle racing? all i said if you takes those results and put them together for example in an graph you will see what i said, in general men first then women who transitioned then women.

 

[monkers]

you never seen the results of any given events but to limited it down a bit lets limit it to cycle racing? all i said if you takes those results and put them together for example in an graph you will see what i said, in general men first then women who transitioned then women.

Yeh right, upper body strength, measured by hand grip strength alone, is used to say (scientifically of course) that all male-born people have male-born advantage in all sports including pub games and chess.

What these so-called scientific studies do not show is what trans athletes experience - that is recovery times following intense activity that are so increased due to the high levels of hormone intake that the sports standards demand, that the capacity for recovery is reduced below that of natal women.

Try listening to somebody like Pippa York with the lived experience of being first a male athlete, and secondly a trans woman. Carefully note that York never competed in the female category and has no records on that basis to defend.

Note also that while Fatima Whitbread is against trans inclusion in sport, also claims that at the age of 71 she can still beat any male competitor - go figure.

 

[AuroraSaab]

York has a vested interest in claiming men who identify as women have no athletic advantage. As to longer recovery for such men, men who have chosen to lower their performance by taking hormones still possess the innate male body advantage that a male puberty brings. Testosterone has already done its work and lower levels of it, or longer recovery times, are not the main factor.

I'd be interested in a link for Whitbread claiming she can beat any male competitor, especially at 72. Of course very good female athletes can often beat male ones but a look at sports records and times tells us that, all other things being equal, women rarely beat men.

 

[monkers]

York has a vested interest in claiming men who identify as women have no athletic advantage. As to longer recovery for such men, men who have chosen to lower their performance by taking hormones still possess the innate male body advantage that a male puberty brings. Testosterone has already done its work and lower levels of it, or longer recovery times, are not the main factor.

I'd be interested in a link for Whitbread claiming she can beat any male competitor, especially at 72. Of course very good female athletes can often beat male ones but a look at sports records and times tells us that, all other things being equal, women rarely beat men.

Usual claim from you. Usual request for evidence will produce the usual lack of it.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Yes, the usual claim - adult male bodies have an innate athletic advantage in a myriad of ways. A claim evidenced by decades of sports records and genuine sports science as opposed to bias research by activists. I suppose we can only guess why male swimmers with the same support and training swim faster than the female ones....

Or male track athletes run a bit faster ....

Also, while we're on about evidence where's the Fatima Whitbread link for your claim?
A Google on your claim came up with this, which suggests she says she wouldn't have beaten men at the same level in javelin, even in her prime.

Whitbread is age 64 not 72 by the way.

 

[AndyRM]

you never seen the results of any given events but to limited it down a bit lets limit it to cycle racing? all i said if you takes those results and put them together for example in an graph you will see what i said, in general men first then women who transitioned then women.

So, no graphs then?

 

[monkers]

Whitbread is age 64 not 72 by the way.

Rated low on reading and comprehension skills. She said she'll still be able to beat any man when she is 71. 71 not 72. And not now but when she gets there. Like any other Terfy type she manages to change the story at will.

This goes some way to explaining how you manage to mangle and fark up on the more complex issues.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Rated low on reading and comprehension skills. She said she'll still be able to beat any man when she is 71. 71 not 72. And not now but when she gets there.

That's not what you said. You said '(Whitbread claims) at the age of 71 she can still beat any male competitor' - not when she gets there, but now. Sounds an unlikely thing for her to say in view of her saying different on GM News but as you are refusing to provide the link we'll never know...

Here you are saying it:

You can't even keep your story straight in your own posts or give us the link so it's hardly the evidence of equal athletic ability between male and female that you were suggesting.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Try listening to somebody like Pippa York with the lived experience of being first a male athlete, and secondly a trans woman.

Let's go round again.
Pippa York or Caitlyn Jenner? Choose your anecdotal evidence.
Or we could do science? Or we could refer to a Canadian study of 'grey literature' which Emily Bridges was going to support their court case but doesn't seem to have managed to do.