mickle
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'Scraped'? 'Lows'? My partner happened upon it. Its entirely relevant to the conversation. The person in question might well be 'happy' where she's at, but vaginal atrophy, whichever way you look at it, is a 'harm'.
Gender again. Sorry!
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'Scraped'? 'Lows'? My partner happened upon it. Its entirely relevant to the conversation. The person in question might well be 'happy' where she's at, but vaginal atrophy, whichever way you look at it, is a 'harm'.
Would that 'harm' be more 'harm' than not doing the procedure or less 'harm'. Medics need to recognise that not acting can also do harm and not proceeding vs proceeding decisions for least harm can depend on the many details. Such assessments require details of patient condition, history, wishes as well as the many years of specialist training, experience they have completed. I assume you have all those patient details, history, etc. as well as the medical training and experience.
Ian
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monkers
Squire
It isn't your vagina to talk about. The post was never intended for you or your partner, it was in a group, and within that post they made the point that they do not feel the need to explain themselves to you.
I remember learning from my late father more than 50 years ago about an important principle in British culture called ''mind your own funking business''.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
The reason they have to use bowel tissue - which obviously leads to the smell of faeces and chance of a fistula - is often because puberty blockers result in small penis size and therefore not enough tissue to invert. As more young men come through the clinics who have been on puberty blockers, bowel vaginaplasty will be more common.
There is great harm in doing extreme cosmetic surgery, with the possibility of long term complications, for what is a mental health issue. It's akin to giving anorexic patients liposuction, except that anorexics can at least put weight back on.
Google phalloplasty, look at the results and the scars left when rolls of flesh are removed from women's arms and rolled up to make a 'penis', then get back to me on how this is anything other than Frankenstein level 'medicine'.
Several research studies show post surgery patients have a higher depression and suicide rate than those who don't have surgery, so these surgeries are hardly lifesaving.
2024:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/
2025:
https://academic.oup.com/jsm/article-abstract/22/4/645/8042063
There is great harm in doing extreme cosmetic surgery, with the possibility of long term complications, for what is a mental health issue. It's akin to giving anorexic patients liposuction, except that anorexics can at least put weight back on.
Google phalloplasty, look at the results and the scars left when rolls of flesh are removed from women's arms and rolled up to make a 'penis', then get back to me on how this is anything other than Frankenstein level 'medicine'.
Several research studies show post surgery patients have a higher depression and suicide rate than those who don't have surgery, so these surgeries are hardly lifesaving.
2024:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/
2025:
https://academic.oup.com/jsm/article-abstract/22/4/645/8042063
I don't have the medical training, specialist experience, patient knowledge, etc. that you clearly must have. Particularly to the detail to declare both the specialist consultant and patient are both wrong.
Maybe you could tell us your medical background, qualifications and specialty (would help).
Ian
AuroraSaab
Shaman
Are you seriously suggesting that doctors are always right? The inventor of lobotomies was given a Nobel prize. Sweden sterilised 60k people on the grounds of eugenics, only stopping in the 1970's. Thalidomide was introduced worldwide with little regulatory testing. Lots of treatments have been found to have serious side effects that medics covered up. Medical scandals are not rare and doctors are neither infallible nor without vested interests.
Puberty blockers were prescribed to kids for years but now Europe has mostly stopped because there's no evidence of benefit. I guess you know better than the independent expert teams who came to the conclusion that the gender clinic doctors were wrong.
Why are doctors, especially in the US, so keen to perform double maestectomies on women and girls, and remove healthy body parts from boys and men? Vested interest in a business that grows at 8% a year and is worth $2 billion per annum ....
AuroraSaab
Shaman
If liposuction were available on the NHS I think many anorexics would request it. Do you think the health service should provide it on the grounds that the patient knows best?
monkers
Squire
You really don't know what you are talking about, and for anybody paying attention it is obvious.
This is what happens when you stick your nose into other people's business.
What I said was that I don't have the medical knowledge. No idea where you got that I was saying doctors are always right. That truely beggars belief.
Maybe discussions world be easier if you read what people wrote rather than trying to claim they say thing they didn't.
But if we are to accept you medical view and assertions with respect to the patient being discussed, details of your medical qualifications, experience, specialty would help.
Ian
AuroraSaab
Shaman
It's not about that one particular patient, who is one of thousands. It's about the wider issue of extreme cosmetic surgery for mental health issues - which you support if the doctor wants to do it and the patient wants it. That is not ethical medical care.
I can at least provide some evidence and academic research. All you provide is a rather pompous manner, naivity, and blind confidence in an industry that has a vested interest in putting children on a medical and surgical pathway.
Here's the calibre of doctor Ian has every confidence in:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eetus-Deletus-REPORTED-consumer-watchdog.html
'Yeet the teets' is Dr Gallagher's euphemism for an elective double mastectomy.
She does 40 double maestectomies a month, patients are 'at least 15'.
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/...-for-15-year-old-transgender-kids-report-says
I can at least provide some evidence and academic research. All you provide is a rather pompous manner, naivity, and blind confidence in an industry that has a vested interest in putting children on a medical and surgical pathway.
Here's the calibre of doctor Ian has every confidence in:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eetus-Deletus-REPORTED-consumer-watchdog.html
'Yeet the teets' is Dr Gallagher's euphemism for an elective double mastectomy.
She does 40 double maestectomies a month, patients are 'at least 15'.
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/...-for-15-year-old-transgender-kids-report-says
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