Gender again. Sorry!

[mickle]

I don't have the medical training, specialist experience, patient knowledge, etc. that you clearly must have. Particularly to the detail to declare both the specialist consultant and patient are both wrong.

Maybe you could tell us your medical background, qualifications and specialty (would help).

Ian

 

[mickle]

It isn't your vagina to talk about. The post was never intended for you or your partner, it was in a group, and within that post they made the point that they do not feel the need to explain themselves to you.

I remember learning from my late father more than 50 years ago about an important principle in British culture called ''mind your own funking business''.

A public forum. An excellent example of the kind of harms that are a consequence of 'transitioning', whether chemically or surgically. In this instance a woman experiencing painful symptoms of a condition usually associated with menopause. Her fanny stopped working twenty years early. But you're right. its not my fanny. Why should i care?

 

[CXRAndy]

JKR has nothing to fear from these bunch oflunatics


View: https://x.com/GerryKeogh_/status/1926622168000983489?t=HnMaRqG2m9E9hCBuuUpVAw&s=19

 

[monkers]

A public forum. An excellent example of the kind of harms that are a consequence of 'transitioning', whether chemically or surgically. In this instance a woman experiencing painful symptoms of a condition usually associated with menopause. Her fanny stopped working twenty years early. But you're right. its not my fanny. Why should i care?

You are not caring for the person though are you. You went to a forum intended for trans men to support each other. Your partner has effectively taken a post from there are provided to you. You have then used the post with intent to harm the trans man community.

His post informed the group he is happy but was asking for advice from others like him. The post also makes clear that they really don't wish to hear from judgmental people or those who wish to invade their right to privacy. Yet here you are.

Don't tell me that you posted this in a cycling community because you care. You've invaded a private space and posted here because you care. Yeh, right.

Women have been demanding the right to bodily autonomy for years. Here you are, a man attempting to deny another person's rights to bodily autonomy. However you are not here to defend women's rights to bodily autonomy, you are here to express bigotry, ''because you care''.

If you cared, there are plenty of ways to show that you care about people in all circumstances, but is there evidence to support that.

In the case of this person that you've decided to judge and bring to the attention of people on a platform adjacent to a cycling community, you've demonstrated how much you care by saying ''her fanny stopped working 20 year ago''. If you did actually care about this person, you'd consider all factors pertinent to them, but you are not, you are using them as a vehicle for your hate. And yes it is hate you are expressing.

Other people's bodily is none of your business. Each person has their own freedoms and rights including the rights to privacy and the right to control over their medical history. You have no right to invade it on the pretence ''because you care''.

 

[Psamathe]

Here's the calibre of doctor Ian has every confidence in:

You must stop claiming I'm saying thing I haven't (by a long way). This is not discussion, can't you see that. I never said I have confidence in any medics. Discussion is impossible when you keep (repeatedly) claiming I'm saying stuff I have not. Beggars belief (and says a lot about the points you ar eputting forward).

I'm out of here (again) which is a shame as it's an important issue facing the UK yet discussing with people like yourself is beyond impossible. Sensible discussion with differing views I welcome but being continually repeatedly and totally erroneously mis-represented, sorry, no.

Ian

 

[AuroraSaab]

You are not caring for the person though are you. You went to a forum intended for trans men to support each other. Your partner has effectively taken a post from there are provided to you. You have then used the post with intent to harm the trans man community.

It's the Internet. Everything on it is public and available to all. None of it is private, whether it's forum comments or obnoxious posts on Twitter. It was actually on a menopause Reddit so by your logic only menopausal women can read or comment, I assume.

Women have been demanding the right to bodily autonomy for years. Here you are, a man attempting to deny another person's rights to bodily autonomy.

The right to bodily autonomy doesn't override society's responsibility of care for people with a mental health issue, especially when the results of surgery are so drastic and the patients often young. It's lobotomies all over again - patients and families consented to those too.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I never said I have confidence in any medics.

You suggested this individual doctor and patient knew best and asked what my medical qualifications were to say different. I explained why this is not the slam dunk you think - the gender surgery industry is worth $2 billion a year and as such doctors will override their medical and ethical concerns.

I think you know next to nothing about this topic. You're blindly stuck in the Be Kind mentality that ultimately serves only to harm women.

 

[Psamathe]

You suggested this individual doctor and patient knew best and asked what my medical qualifications were to say different. I explained why this is not the slam dunk you think - the gender surgery industry is worth $2 billion a year and as such doctors will override their medical and ethical concerns.

I think you know next to nothing about this topic. You're blindly stuck in the Be Kind mentality that ultimately serves only to harm women.

NO, I said

Would that 'harm' be more 'harm' than not doing the procedure or less 'harm'. Medics need to recognise that not acting can also do harm and not proceeding vs proceeding decisions for least harm can depend on the many details. Such assessments require details of patient condition, history, wishes as well as the many years of specialist training, experience they have completed.

ie to assess different treatment to reduce harm would need detailed knowledge, training, details of condition, etc.
And

I don't have the medical training, specialist experience, patient knowledge, etc. that you clearly must have. Particularly to the detail to declare both the specialist consultant and patient are both wrong.

Maybe you could tell us your medical background, qualifications and specialty (would help).

Impossible to discuss anything with you when all you can do is misrepresent what I've said. Beggars belief which as I said is a share as it is an important issue facing the UK. But I'm not prepared to have my comments repeatedly mis-represented to try and say something I didn't. Speaks volumes about the points you try to make.

Ian

 

[monkers]

You suggested this individual doctor and patient knew best and asked what my medical qualifications were to say different. I explained why this is not the slam dunk you think - the gender surgery industry is worth $2 billion a year and as such doctors will override their medical and ethical concerns.

I think you know next to nothing about this topic. You're blindly stuck in the Be Kind mentality that ultimately serves only to harm women.

Talking of slam dunks, you always claimed that your concern was about keeping trans women out of women's spaces.

Well now you are claiming the slam dunk that trans women will be kept out of women's spaces.

However, not only are you and the braying mob still here, but emboldened to be even more vicious by the Supreme Court ruling.

As I have always said, your voice is not driven by reason but prejudice. You now are providing the evidence.

 

[monkers]

Dear Forum. Please pay no heed to those with this vicious anti-trans ideology.

What they post is a tapestry of willful lies and false information. These people are bad faith actors. If you disagree by pointing to the facts, they will seek to destroy your reputation with inventions they manufacture against you. I speak from experience, and as Ian @Psamathe above has now experienced.

 

[spen666]

Talking of slam dunks, you always claimed that your concern was about keeping trans women out of women's spaces.

Well now you are claiming the slam dunk that trans women will be kept out of women's spaces.

Not sure this makes any sense to read at all. It seems to read that you are saying AuroraSaab has been consistent in wanting to ensure Trans Women do not use women's spaces.

However, not only are you and the braying mob still here, but emboldened to be even more vicious by the Supreme Court ruling.

As I have always said, your voice is not driven by reason but prejudice. You now are providing the evidence.

Talking of being driven by prejudice, calling someone who disagrees with you a "Shitehead" ( as per numerous previous posts and now part of a braying mob could be seen by many as being driven by prejudice not reason.

It is possible to discuss matters without resorting to insults . The quality of the debate would rise ten fold if the unnecessary personal abuse were removed

 

[Psamathe]

this is not the slam dunk you think

That you view this discussion ain terms of "slam dunks" make sit not a discussion but some school debatiung society where there is a winner.

The subject needs sensible discussion, exchange of views and understanding NOT seeking "slam dunks".

Ian

 

[monkers]

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I used Google image search to find sources of these images. Nothing found.

So I sent these to my cousin T. I sent these to my cousin and her husband, both of whom are retired GPs. Her husband worked in emergency surgery before switching to general practice in his early 40s.

They are of the opinion that the first image shows a patient after undergoing emergency lifesaving surgery for something called ''Fournier Gangrene''. This is unrelated to trans surgery.

The second image ''appears to be an ambitious attempt to save the arm of a patient with a flesh-eating bacteria''.

So it appears, every day a new low.

 

[CXRAndy]

NO, I said

ie to assess different treatment to reduce harm would need detailed knowledge, training, details of condition, etc.
And

Impossible to discuss anything with you when all you can do is misrepresent what I've said. Beggars belief which as I said is a share as it is an important issue facing the UK. But I'm not prepared to have my comments repeatedly mis-represented to try and say something I didn't. Speaks volumes about the points you try to make.

Ian

Radical irreversible surgery is the absolute very last option, when so many are exhibiting some form of mental illness. Far better to do nothing than start chopping bits of healthy flesh off a person

 

[CXRAndy]

They are of the opinion

A guess then as to the source.

The skin tone looks female to me.