Gender again. Sorry!

[classic33]

Apologies for the error. I'm sure that your presence is required in a village somewhere across the land where they are short of one.

Here maybe?

 

[AndyRM]

There aren't 2 kids of women. Of course people can use it if they wish but it's a made up term that tries to force men into woman specific language. It reduces women to a subset of their own sex and posits men as the more oppressed kind of 'women'. It's an attempt to separate being female from our sexed bodies, a wedge by which men can insert themselves into our language and our category.

Lots of people find it insulting so if you do use it you're hardly in a position to police anybody else's language.

If we were talking about race I doubt society would tolerate calling actual black people 'cis black' and those who identified as black 'trans black'. Try calling your black friends and colleagues cis black and see how you get on.

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I can't understand why people can feel attacked by being called cis.

If you are, you are, and that's fine.

It's not derogatory and it's not misogynistic.

 

[mickle]

It's merely a useful shorthand when you're discussing the subject.
And that's a weird list.

Their external genitalia gets a cursory glance for the presence of a penis - boy or not a boy. What they see from a cursory inspection are recorded. Mistakes get made. Also we hopefully know by now that not all people have external genitalia which at birth appears to be one thing, sometimes is not that thing.


That narrative is used only by people with limited understanding including trans kids in some cases. Thinking adults be they cis of trans do not tend to say this. It is intended as an analogy. Think of it ''as if they are born in the wrong body''. Trans adults do take the view that there exists some entity on a production line putting brains into bodies and sometimes funking it up. The body and the brain belong to the same person, they just don't happen to be congruent. These kinds of things happen all the time in nature.



'cis' is a word that comes from scientific usage. I know that toxic masculine narratives don't allow homophones - you know words that sound alike, but in this case it is not suggestive that typical people are cissies.

There you go again using Differences of Sexual Development to shore up your gender cult. Show me a scrap of evidence to support a connection between DSDs and transgenderism.

"Happen all the time in nature"? Really? How? Where?

"Toxic masculine narratives"? You talking to me?

 

[mickle]

I can't understand why people can feel attacked by being called cis.

If you are, you are, and that's fine.

It's not derogatory and it's not misogynistic.

The women who object to being referred to as CIS do so because they refuse to be reduced to sub group of woman. Use of CIS gives equal value to both women and men in dresses. Woman is a class of human that men cannot opt into.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Every country that keeps records has seen the cohort of those referred to gender clinics change from predominantly middle aged men with psychological issues around their sex from a young age, to much younger people and in fact mostly teenage girls whose issues developed quickly in adolescence. It's simply not true to say that there have been this number of trans identifying people in the past.

It's not derogatory and it's not misogynistic.

It's misogynistic to make women a subset of their own sex. If men can be women then the word woman is meaningless. You are asking women to contribute to erasing 'woman' as a sex class.

To use the word cis means you subscribe to the belief system that is gender identity. It's not a politeness, it's an article of faith.

 

[AndyRM]

Every country that keeps records has seen the cohort of those referred to gender clinics change from predominantly middle aged men with psychological issues around their sex from a young age, to much younger people and in fact mostly teenage girls whose issues developed quickly in adolescence. It's simply not true to say that there have been this number of trans identifying people in the past.



It's misogynistic to make women a subset of their own sex. If men can be women then the word woman is meaningless. You are asking women to contribute to erasing 'woman' as a sex class.

To use the word cis means you subscribe to the belief system that is gender identity. It's not a politeness, it's an article of faith.

I don't call people cis.

The word woman isn't meaningless.

It isn't now, and it never has been.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You render it meaningless if you believe it's a category that includes men.

 

[monkers]

There aren't 2 kids of women. Of course people can use it if they wish but it's a made up term that tries to force men into woman specific language. It reduces women to a subset of their own sex and posits men as the more oppressed kind of 'women'. It's an attempt to separate being female from our sexed bodies, a wedge by which men can insert themselves into our language and our category.

Lots of people find it insulting so if you do use it you're hardly in a position to police anybody else's language.

If we were talking about race I doubt society would tolerate calling actual black people 'cis black' and those who identified as black 'trans black'. Try calling your black friends and colleagues cis black and see how you get on.

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How utterly absurd and deranged sounding. That guy needs some help.

 

[monkers]

There you go again using Differences of Sexual Development to shore up your gender cult. Show me a scrap of evidence to support a connection between DSDs and transgenderism.

"Happen all the time in nature"? Really? How? Where?

"Toxic masculine narratives"? You talking to me?

Am I talking to you? Sure why not. If I've quoted your post and replied, then sure I'm talking to you.

People with DSDs are furious with the SC judgment. Why should they be silent too?

How? Oh you wouldn't believe it. There's biology that goes beyond Key Stage1. That's the thing about those people Aurora says I keep appealing to ... erm, erm, erm, oh yeh ''experts''. Not mystical creatures, actual beings who studied beyond Key Stage 2 even.

Where? I'd have to guess, but one expert says that about half of Italian children conceived in the 1960s were in fact conceived in a Fiat 500.

 

[Ian H]

Where? I'd have to guess, but one expert says that about half of Italian children conceived in the 1960s were in fact conceived in a Fiat 500.

I suspect that Fiat's suspension is totally knackered.

 

[monkers]

I suspect that Fiat's suspension is totally knackered.

Missed opportunity Ian. You could have said that was well and truly funked too.

No such trouble with the Hillman Imp it had parts designed by Coventry Climax. True story.

 

[Ian H]

Missed opportunity Ian. You could have said that well and truly funked too.

No such trouble with the Hillman Imp it had parts designed by Coventry Climax. True story.

I resisted suggesting a generation with permanent curvature of the spine.

 

[AuroraSaab]

People with DSDs are furious with the SC judgment. Why should they be silent too?

They are all either male or female - and usually as obviously visibly male or female as anyone else. Stop appropriating the medical conditions found in 0.02% of the population as way of getting men who don't have them into women's spaces.

There's biology that goes beyond Key Stage1.

There's no 3rd sex, no 3rd gamete, just male and female.

You constantly attempt to muddy the waters re trans and dsds even though it is 2 separate things - a medical condition and a mental feeling. You use dsds as a way of arguing that men who don't suffer from them should be given access. It's an entirely bogus and disingenuous argument.

 

[monkers]

They are all either male or female - and usually as obviously visibly male or female as anyone else. Stop appropriating the medical conditions found in 0.02% of the population as way of getting men who don't have them into women's spaces.




There's no 3rd sex, no 3rd gamete, just male and female.

You constantly attempt to muddy the waters re trans and dsds even though it is 2 separate things - a medical condition and a mental feeling. You use dsds as a way of arguing that men who don't suffer from them should be given access. It's an entirely bogus and disingenuous argument.

No I stick up for people of minority groups whatever that group may be. You are the one who is keen to exploit difference in order to denigrate people and exclude them on false pretences.

Intersex people are intending action an urgent case in the Court of Administration.

I'm absolutely sick of those people claiming victimhood and being members of some sort of Wunderkind simultaneously.

PIMOB member

 

[CXRAndy]

Here maybe?

£18k you say, now if I had could do a few less hours I might be tempted