Gender again. Sorry!

[classic33]

It's not based on what the law might say, ie GRC. They were recorded as what they self identified as at the time of arrest.

And you know that part for certain, or is it just another assumption on your part.

You have to go back to 2022 to find a female rapist? I bet I could find you 10 male ones from this month alone.

Serial rapist and child abuser, who's currently serving time in prison not a hospital.
An ongoing investigation, where limited information has been made known by the authorities is hardly "going back".

Let's not forget that if there were 3 female rapists a year and then 6, that would be a 100% increase. It's also not surprising the numbers go up if men are being recorded as women is it? That's going to add to the increase in 'women' sexual offenders.

Note it said female perpetrated, not woman perpetrated. The distinction being made by them.

Your repetitive "call" of blaming men only is becoming tiresome. Maybe you can start explaining what sort of sentence/punishment a mother should be given when she is equally complicit in supplying, for cash, her children for sex for both female and male adults.
Why should they be allowed to not serve time like the males involved?

 

[AuroraSaab]

And you know that part for certain, or is it just another assumption on your part.

It's literally in the news article.

Serial rapist and child abuser, who's currently serving time in prison not a hospital.

Yes, she's one of a very small number of women - 3% or less of sex offenders in the UK - who comit sexual offences.

Your repetitive "call" of blaming men only is becoming tiresome.

Men commit almost all sexual offences. We all know this. You pretending women are just as bad is tiresome and frankly ridiculous.

Maybe you can start explaining what sort of sentence/punishment a mother should be given when she is equally complicit in supplying, for cash, her children for sex for both female and male adults.
Why should they be allowed to not serve time like the males involved?

The same punishment anybody else would get. Nobody on here has asked for such women to be let off.

 

[monkers]

The problem is Aurora is your defence of women as an innocent group doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Your claims that too many women and girls are subjected to forms of sexual abuse from minor to unwanted sexual attention all the way to rape and murder are fully justified. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that.

While it is true that by far the biggest number of assaults are against women are carried out by men is undeniable. It is also undeniable that the numbers of sexual assaults carried out by women is not an insignificant number.

The point I will continue to make is that there is no evidence, and I have repeatedly called for you to show it, that there are any trans women prisoners in England & Wales with a GRC convicted of sexual or violent assault against women. The data from the prison service just does not show this to be true.

From we can know from available prison service data is that the only cohort of prisoners that do not show as offenders, but are themselves victims, are trans people. And yet this is the cohort you target.

Not only does it not make rational sense as an argument, it demonstrates that is a carefully constructed false argument born of prejudice.

The victimhood of trans people with a GRC is effectively denied while painting them as perpetrators.

You are an unreliable witness to the actual data, while you show that you can be nothing other than a bad faith actor.

 

[monkers]

In addition to what I have said above, there is not evidence that a system of self-Id works against the safety of women.

If we look at the prison data for Ireland, the official data shows two trans women in prison. They are held in an isolation unit effectively in solitary confinement. There are also two cis women held in the same unit under the same conditions because risk assessment shows that they render other women prisoners unsafe.

If self-ID was detrimental as you have repeatedly said, the data from Ireland would by now be indicating that effect.

 

[CXRAndy]

trans women prisoners in England & Wales with a GRC convicted of sexual or violent assault against women.

What you've failed to prove, is a male with a piece of paper is any different in male behaviour to a full blooded male

. When we all know that these TiMs are actually not women but men wearing a wig, dress, and makeup

 

[classic33]

It's literally in the news article.

Literally an assumption on your part then. As per usual.

Yes, she's one of a very small number of women - 3% or less of sex offenders in the UK - who comit sexual offences.

Figure for what are the last reliable set of figures puts that at twice what you keep on repeating. And that's conviction's resulting in a sentence being handed down, not offending rates. Reported cases, to childline, of sexual abuse by females is on the increase year on year. With a 132% increase in the five year period from 2004 to 2009, according to the NSPCC.

Men commit almost all sexual offences. We all know this. You pretending women are just as bad is tiresome and frankly ridiculous.

Almost isn't all, and the female conviction rate is increasing. Why is this? Females in trusted positions featuring highly.
Just as tiresome is your mantra that only men are to blame.

The same punishment anybody else would get. Nobody on here has asked for such women to be let off.

So why have you claimed that they should be treated differently then?
You can do your own searching of your own posts, if you're unable to remember.

Why are the UK's convicted youngest double murderer and convicted youngest paedophile both female. The same sex as they were at birth for avoidance of any doubt, or for you to claim they were men.

 

[monkers]

What you've failed to prove, is a male with a piece of paper is any different in male behaviour to a full blooded male

. When we all know that these TiMs are actually not women but men wearing a wig, dress, and makeup

Your argument is surreal. The claims being made against trans people is that they can not serve in the military is that they are not ''full-blooded males'' so not suitable in a combat situation. You have claimed previously that you are a 'real man'. Presumably you consider yourself to be a ''full-blooded male''. Pity none of it reaches your head. If it did you'd know you are saying that you are the problem.

I don't have to prove anything I'm not the one making spurious claims. If you make an allegation against a person it has to be proven. If you make an allegation against a group of people you have to prove it.

This principle is found in science, law, and debating etiquette.

Despite it not being my job, I have shown the evidence. The prison data does not show evidence that there are any trans women with a GRC in prison for sexual offences against women in England & Wales. There is evidence that their treatment in prison leads to their suicide. There is also evidence that men commit offences against trans women both in an out of prison.

The data clearly shows that cisgender men are the biggest cohort of offenders in violence and sexual assault. Of those men many are serial offenders. If one man is a collector of indecent pictures of children, how many sexual offences has he committed?

When I talk about offences against lesbians, you laugh and make misogynistic and homophobic remarks about them. You prove your bigotry.

We need to be careful to recognise that saying that ''most offences are committed by men'' must not be said in such a way to imply that most men are offenders - they are not, and men as a cohort must not be treated as such.

 

[CXRAndy]

I laugh at you and others because despite biological (metaphorically) reality slapping you around the head, you will not accept the fact men/males with or without a piece of paper are not women.

I'm coming to round to Helen Joyce's reasoning that you are likely one of those last few people who can never accept the truth, because of being too heavily invested in the trans ideology. Which begs the obvious questions why so?


Helen Joyce's reasoning is-
either they are a parent of a trans child or are trans themselves, therefore reality what they have done is too awful to deal with, they can never comeback....

 

[CXRAndy]

“Nothing I can say about the violent, fetishistic narcissism at the heart of trans activism is half as persuasive as what trans activists say themselves

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-five-stages-of-victory/

 

[monkers]

I laugh at you and others because despite biological (metaphorically) reality slapping you around the head, you will not accept the fact men/males with or without a piece of paper are not women.

I'm coming to round to Helen Joyce's reasoning that you are likely one of those last few people who can never accept the truth, because of being too heavily invested in the trans ideology. Which begs the obvious questions why so?


Helen Joyce's reasoning is-
either they are a parent of a trans child or are trans themselves, therefore reality what they have done is too awful to deal with, they can never comeback....

I accept that how people want to live is not my business. It isn't for you to determine who people must be just in order to fit in with your narrow world view.

I've shown the evidence, trans people do not break the law by living authentic lives - instead the state recognises them.

You should know, that your view is fascism - no more and no less. You are the one with the problem. The bigotry exists in your head no mine.

We had two world wars to stamp out this bigotry. A terrible price was paid each time. You are batting for the wrong team.

 

[CXRAndy]

I've shown the evidence, trans people do not break the law

You shown is nothing of the sort


You deny that TiMs in prison have a far higher conviction record per rata for sexual offences than even the general male prison population

You try and fail to convince others that only TiMs+c are different from TiMs.

 

[monkers]

You shown is nothing of the sort


You deny that TiMs in prison have a far higher conviction record per rata for sexual offences than even the general male prison population

You try and fail to convince others that only TiMs+c are different from TiMs.

You've been shown the evidence repeatedly. You are in denial.

Official prison data shows that there are ten people with a GRC in England and Wales in prison. Of these we don't know how many are trans men and how many are trans women. We don't know the nature of the offences, the length of their sentences or where they are serving those sentences.

The number of trans women who serve prison sentences is in the range of 0 to 10. Therefore there is no evidence that there are any trans women with a GRC serving a prison sentence in England and Wales for sexual offences against women. There is evidence of trans women being the victims of sexual offences.

Trans people with a GRC are the only cohort where it is known there are victims but no known offenders.

You treat truth as meaningless and bigoted opinion as everything.

 

[CXRAndy]

Official prison data

Well you know how data can be made to look like anything.

For over 10 years, trans have tried to convince the general public that men can be women. Questioning this ideology would bring about increased deaths, suicide. Even words were a physical assault.

Non of that was true.

We aren't taking this bullshît anymore.

Men cannot be women, coercing children to take drugs and have surgery is abusive.

Thankfully it's all coming to an end in the UK.

 

[monkers]

Well you know how data can be made to look like anything.

For over 10 years, trans have tried to convince the general public that men can be women. Questioning this ideology would bring about increased deaths, suicide. Even words were a physical assault.

Non of that was true.

We aren't taking this bullshît anymore.

Men cannot be women, coercing children to take drugs and have surgery is abusive.

Thankfully it's all coming to an end in the UK.

Pull your pants up and be a big boy. You've been deceived you gullible fool.

Co pilot says...

The latest available data confirms that 10 prisoners in England and Wales have a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC), but it does not specify how many of them are trans women. The available data does not specify offences.

Currently, there are no publicly available media reports that explicitly track convictions of trans women with a GRC in England and Wales.

You understand? This bollocks is all in your head. There is no evidence. The stuff that is in your head is there because you've been indoctrinated. Just as you've been indoctrinated in other ways from the ultra-right. You are useful to them precisely because you are such a moron.

 

[AuroraSaab]

If they shouldn't be counted as transwomen in the crime stats unless they have a GRC, why should they be counted as victims in the stats if they don't have a GRC? By your logic surely the only genuine victims are men with a GRC. Self ID only counts one way in your book.

Literally an assumption on your part then. As per usual.

Jeez. You can't even grasp a straightforward news article.

With a 132% increase in the five year period from 2004 to 2009, according to the NSPCC.

Nor can you grasp statistics. This is likely down to victims rightly feeling encouraged to come forward. Even with the increase the number of male sex offenders dwarfs the number of female ones.

You can do your own searching of your own posts, if you're unable to remember.

You make the claims, you can provide the evidence from my posts.

It's a special kind of man who knows that 98% of sex crimes are committed by men but rather than being shocked by that statistic the first thing that comes into his head is to say that it's hateful for women to point this put.