Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

Pretty sure I have never said transmen should be forced to compete against men. I've said that a protected female sports category (for only those born female, including transmen if they wish) and an Open category for anybody, including all biological males, transmen (if they wish), and exceptional women (if they wish), would maintain safety and fairness whilst being inclusive.

A single category for everybody would mean those with the biological advantage of being born male would win all events and hold all records in sports where speed and power were the dominant requirements. Very few biological women would qualify for an Olympic final in track and field, swimming, weight lifting etc.

From Boysvwomen.com

This would be the 2016 Olympic medals table in track and field if you took the times of the best boys/youths in the 2016 US High School athletics championship and entered them against the results of the 2016 Olympic women:

This is just US-only high school boys against the world's best women.

Categories in sport (sex, age, weight) exist to showcase exceptional athletes within given natural parameters.

 

[Ian H]

View: https://twitter.com/pippa_york/status/1625486894640373760

 

[multitool]

I'm good thanks x

I wasn't asking you to read out some words from the report to me, but still, you did make the effort, so that's nice 👍

 

[AuroraSaab]

That's nasty hyperbolic stuff, Ian. Standing up for women's rights is not transphobic, nor is it hateful. It shows how little you think of women, and their right to speak about their lives and things that affect them, that you would even post a thread like that.

 

[Ian H]

That's nasty hyperbolic stuff, Ian. Standing up for women's rights is not transphobic, nor is it hateful. It shows how little you think of women, and their right to speak about their lives and things that affect them, that you would even post a thread like that.

It isn't any of that. Suggest you reread more carefully

 

[multitool]

Standing up for women's rights is, of course, perfectly legitimate and laudable. It's commendable that on this thread at least there hasn't been any attempt to constantly associate trans women with rapists and predators (and accusing anybody who objects as "shilling for rapists") because this would have contributed to a climate of hatred that could lead to a horrific murder like this.

 

[multitool]

Article from hateful online shitrag, Spiked, on the death of Brianna Ghey, notable in particular for the great care they take throughout the entire article to avoid calling her "she" or "her".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...stop-exploiting-the-brianna-ghey-tragedy/amp/

 

[Bromptonaut]

Been at a work related event today where one delegate is a trans man.

The question I'm left asking is, if I'd not known him for years, how would I have been aware?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Standing up for women's rights is, of course, perfectly legitimate and laudable. It's commendable that on this thread at least there hasn't been any attempt to constantly associate trans women with rapists and predators (and accusing anybody who objects as "shilling for rapists") because this would have contributed to a climate of hatred that could lead to a horrific murder like this.

Good job noone has done that then. You seem unable to distinguish between transwomen and men in general. It's all men that many women seek to exclude from prisons, sports, rape centres etc. for perfectly valid reasons.

 

[multitool]

Ah, we are now saying "many women" now are we

Progress.

 

[icowden]

Standing up for women's rights is, of course, perfectly legitimate and laudable. It's commendable that on this thread at least there hasn't been any attempt to constantly associate trans women with rapists and predators (and accusing anybody who objects as "shilling for rapists") because this would have contributed to a climate of hatred that could lead to a horrific murder like this.

Although there is no evidence that this particular murder is related to the victim being a trans woman.

 

[matticus]

It's commendable that on this thread at least there hasn't been any attempt to constantly associate trans women with rapists and predators (and accusing anybody who objects as "shilling for rapists") because this would have contributed to a climate of hatred that could lead to a horrific murder like this.

Every such association I've seen on this thread has been of the form "it's mainly men that rape, including some that now claim female gender"; so are you saying that when Mudsticks et al comment on male rapists, they are encouraging hatred and murder of men?
You're making a pretty enormous leap there!

 

[Bromptonaut]

Although there is no evidence that this particular murder is related to the victim being a trans woman.

If that's the one in Cheshire then the police seem to be moving towards the possibility that it is a hate crime.

 

[multitool]

Although there is no evidence that this particular murder is related to the victim being a trans woman.

Didn't realise you were on the investigative team. It's now sub judice so be careful.

But...police are now saying it is being investigated as a possible hate crime.

 

[theclaud]

Although there is no evidence that this particular murder is related to the victim being a trans woman.

Well that's me convinced, then.