Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

OK .. I've done the thing you hate and asked copilot - the everyman version.

I make no claim that Copilot is accurate on this, but it claims to have searched the rankings ...

Summary​

• Neither athlete appears in the official women’s rankings post-rule change.
• If they registered under their gender identity and are transgender women, they would be excluded from rankings under the new policy.
• They can still participate fully in HYROX events — just not be officially ranked in the women’s category unless registered under their biological sex.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Which is what I said.

https://hyrox.com/rulebook/

It also gives the set events in Hyrox. Guess what? Mr Gabriel gets to drag 50kg less when he enters the Pro Women's comp instead of the Pro Mens. That's handy.

You can contribute to Gabriel's Go Fund Me if you like. Gabriel wants £8k to relocate to Berlin where he can presumably drag 50kg less than other men in Hyrox to his heart's content and keep his rankings in the Women's division.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/lucis-relocation-fund

 

[monkers]

Which is what I said.

https://hyrox.com/rulebook/

It also gives the set events in Hyrox. Guess what? Mr Gabriel gets to drag 50kg less when he enters the Pro Women's comp instead of the Pro Mens. That's handy.

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You can contribute to Gabriel's Go Fund Me if you like. Gabriel wants £8k to relocate to Berlin where he can presumably drag 50kg less than other men in Hyrox to his heart's content and keep his rankings in the Women's division.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/lucis-relocation-fund

Are you telling me that you knew all along that these two athletes are no longer able to compete, but you still wished to complain that the author of the information piece did not declare they are trans when they wrote a neutral piece?

 

[AndyRM]

For fun, I Googled "Hyrox transgender controversy".

Nothing.

It's vaguely impressive that an article which was just about what Hyrox is, rather than the gender of competitors has generated so much noise on this thread.

 

[monkers]

For fun, I Googled "Hyrox transgender controversy".

Nothing.

It's vaguely impressive that an article which was just about what Hyrox is, rather than the gender of competitors has generated so much noise on this thread.

Let's hope this puts the waste of time to bed. However I wouldn't have heard Lucia's story if it hadn't been for this.

My name is Lucia, or just Luci to my friends. I am a trans woman from the UK and I am super scared right now!

In February I was outed by the transphobic freaks, and I am being stalked by them. Knowing that random people were sharing information about me was really scary, and I haven't felt safe for a few months. Then this happened!

I can't believe it has come to this, but with the UK government and institutions rolling back equalities protections, and actively violating the European Convention of Human Rights to target trans women specifically. I no longer feel safe in the UK! It is time to leave!

I feel like trans women are being used as a wedge to justify the undermining of Scottish Devolution, and to set things up for the UK to withdraw from the ECHR!

 

[AuroraSaab]

The discussion was about lack of trust in the BBC and it's duty to report accurately on contentious issues. The failure of the BBC to mention relevant factors - that the person was male and competing in the Women's class, and that the journalist himself was also male - was the point being made.

It was you who pivoted the discussion to 'It doesn't matter because he isn't winning' when you posted this comment and his rankings.

Reads like amplification of manufactured outrage. Smith doesn't seem to the perfect demonstration of males robbing females of results through superior biology.

Difficult to imagine a person being so traumatised at losing the 151st place in the female competition.

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[monkers]

The discussion was about lack of trust in the BBC and it's duty to report accurately on contentious issues. The failure of the BBC to mention relevant factors - that the person was male and competing in the Women's class, and that the journalist himself was also male - was the point being made.

It was you who pivoted the discussion to 'It doesn't matter because he isn't winning' when you posted this comment and his rankings.

It was you who pivoted the discussion to 'It doesn't matter because he isn't winning' when you posted this comment and his rankings.

The attributed quote are not words typed by me. I made the point, and not acknowledged by you, that people play sport with motives other than winning, which you went on to say that is a concept you have difficult with. Can you please stop these ongoing false attributions. I realise they give you some sense of winning the internet, but I suspect they do not reflect well on you.

As others have pointed out, there was no relevant omitted fact.

 

[AuroraSaab]

For fun, I Googled "Hyrox transgender controversy".
Nothing.

You seem to be suggesting that this means female athletes must have approved because they didn't make a fuss that made the national news. If it was Hyrox rules at the time they didn't have any option than compliance or giving up the sport.

Can you please stop these ongoing false attributions. I realise they give you some sense of winning the internet, but I suspect they do not reflect well on you.

Here you are doing it. Stop gaslighting.

 

[monkers]

You seem to be suggesting that this means female athletes must have approved because they didn't make a fuss that made the national news. If it was Hyrox rules at the time they didn't have any option than compliance or giving up the sport.


Here you are doing it. Stop gaslighting.

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Thank you for showing the forum that you invented the quote that you presented to the forum.

Having not previously heard of hyrox I googled for details of it and the controversy. It transpired that this sense of outrage was manufactured, and there was amplification, and further to that a total non-story about the BBC.

Contrary to what you say, many people play sport for the fun of it, and not with an expectation to win.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Contrary to what you say, many people play sport for the fun of it, and not with an expectation to win.

Well that bit's true. Oh hang on a bit.

many people play sport for the fun of it, and not with an expectation to win.

Well that bit's true.
On the plus side, no-one's shouted Nazi yet.

 

[AuroraSaab]

If it was an actual quote from you it would have been in speech marks. It wasn't. It was a paraphrase of what you were doing.

You haven't explained why Gabriel couldn't play sport for fun without the expectation of winning in the Pro Men's competition. The fact he's turned pro suggests it's not for fun.

If a sport has categories and rankings athletes have a right to expect fairness within those categories. Otherwise there is no point in categories. Funny that you can't opt into the age category of choice in Hyrox but you could opt into your chosen sex category.

 

[Ianonabike]

The very first line of the Hyrox FAQ: "HYROX is a global fitness competition..."

Athletes are given a timing chip, and a race number.

And of course they have a results and ranking page.

Like @AuroraSaab, I'm getting the idea mere "fun" isn't at the top of the agenda.

I wonder how many men do organised sports without a care in the world for who wins.

 

[monkers]

If it was an actual quote from you it would have been in speech marks. It wasn't. It was a paraphrase of what you were doing.

If a paraphrase it would need to speak to what I was saying. It didn't.

You haven't explained why Gabriel couldn't play sport for fun without the expectation of winning in the Pro Men's competition. The fact he's turned pro suggests it's not for fun.

Am I required to explain on behalf of another? The article you linked to contained their reasons in clear English. You only had to read your own link.

If a sport has categories and rankings athletes have a right to expect fairness within those categories. Otherwise there is no point in categories. Funny that you can't opt into the age category of choice in Hyrox but you could opt into your chosen sex category.

You haven't shown that they broke any rules.

 

[monkers]

The very first line of the Hyrox FAQ: "HYROX is a global fitness competition..."

Athletes are given a timing chip, and a race number.

And of course they have a results and ranking page.

Like @AuroraSaab, I'm getting the idea mere "fun" isn't at the top of the agenda.

I wonder how many men do organised sports without a care in the world for who wins.

That's hardly persuasive.

I'm getting the idea that Hyrox is much like Park Run - it is mass participation in an activity. Yes some people take things seriously, most do not seem to.

As for your question, I'm not best-placed to answer it. What I can tell you is that the local cycle club Sunday morning club rides are well attended, whereas the time trials rather less so.

Otherwise the link below, might help.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...5e6/tp-adult-participation-sport-analysis.pdf

 

[Ianonabike]

BBC has been totally captured by this crazy ideology


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