AndyRM
Elder Goth
No, I'm not. But then I'm not generally in the habit of assuming what others think or feel.
Gender again. Sorry!
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No, I'm not. But then I'm not generally in the habit of assuming what others think or feel.
CXRAndy
Shaman
Girl guides to be saved from trans
View: https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1986848189614366884?t=dcjC0J8LQajXTw7BS9IYbA&s=19
View: https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1986848189614366884?t=dcjC0J8LQajXTw7BS9IYbA&s=19
classic33
Missen
If you actually read the piece you posted, 2.2 says that in order to be considered(placed) in the rankings those taking part must register under their birth gender. Otherwise they(HYROX) won't be including them in their rankings.
As for taking part to get a better time and finishing position, one does not equate to the other. Even in two events where there are the same number of people taking part.
A lot can depend on the day, the weather and even the feel of the course. You can get carried along by the crowd, those taking part and those watching. Course time may be faster or slower on the day, meaning it's possible to finish lower down with a faster time, or even higher up, position wise, with a slower time than your previous best in either time or position.
CXRAndy
Shaman
Biology lesson for the confused
View: https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/1986870077728203045?t=RdBo3H91_jU32tPIaxE4XA&s=19
View: https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/1986870077728203045?t=RdBo3H91_jU32tPIaxE4XA&s=19
icowden
Shaman
Because, and I have tried pointing this out to you before. IT ISN'T RELEVANT TO THE ARTICLE.
If they interviewed an athlete about the new sport of cycling backwards it wouldn't be relevant whether he was a drug cheat, only had one leg, or dressed in pink and did it in a ballet tutu. The article is not about competition, placement or results. It's just giving you information about Hyrox.
I can't believe that you are still wanging on about a sport article that's been around for nearly a year and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the gender debate. If anything you should be praising Gabriel for his empathy with other women. They actually write quite well about the women's Hyrox IMHO.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
The discussion was about BBC impartiality, or lack thereof. The article is relevant to that.
It's ridiculous that you think a man unfairly competing in the Women's category should be considered admirable by women just because he throws a few crumbs of praise their way. It's like expecting people to admire Lance Armstrong for his praise of the non doped athletes in a race he cheated in. How absolutely insulting of you.
It's ridiculous that you think a man unfairly competing in the Women's category should be considered admirable by women just because he throws a few crumbs of praise their way. It's like expecting people to admire Lance Armstrong for his praise of the non doped athletes in a race he cheated in. How absolutely insulting of you.
icowden
Shaman
No it isn't. The article is entirely impartial. It makes no comment about inclusion or exclusion, no comment about transgender issues, no debate, no nothing. It's literally just information about a sport you may not have head of. They publish variations on the article regularly
It's ridiculous that you are making a fuss about something which isn't in the article. Would you like to share any more imaginary narratives?
Personally I'm concerned that they haven't covered Hyrox for disabilities, Hyrox for mermaids and the three legged aliens have been left completely in the shade.
They make no mention of whether the sport is suitable for both Reform and Labour voters, or whether Trump and Musk are devotees.
Bloody BBC bias.
monkers
Shaman
The analogy collapses at the point of realisation that Lance Armstrong cheated, the two trans women did not. The Hyrox result shows that they competed in a classification marked ''Open Women''.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
Men in women's sport is a prominent and contentious issue. Failing to mention that it is a man who competes in the women's category is an omission. It shows lack of impartiality and a determination to present only the facts that the writer - also a trans identifying man - wants to present.
The fact that you don't think those facts are relevant is just an indication that you don't think men in women's sports is a big deal.
icowden
Shaman
No, the fact that you want an article about sport to be some sort of gender debate is just an indication that you need a Valium and a night in front of the telly.
You know my position re transwomen in women's sports and it broadly aligns with your own although not as extreme. It's important that sport remain fair and that women and girls do not get pushed out. I would suspect that @monkers might agree with that also. Not all transwomen want to be world champion at any cost.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
Still in the Women's then? Just not in the section for top grade athletes. Still men with an unfair advantage, just like doping athletes. If they're competing just for fun, just to beat their own times etc they can do that in the Men's comp. The weights are heavier than in the Women's of course but if it's just for fun that won't matter.
And of course we can then praise their empathy for other men when they say, "When I see other men on the track I'm like, 'oh wow, he's so fast', he's my inspiration rather than competition."
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
Maybe you should have a biscuit and a lie down then because the issue of impartial reporting isn't going away. It's the hand waving away of stuff like this and 'nothing to see here' that got us in this mess in the first place. Men like you are a gift to trans activism.
monkers
Shaman
If they didn't break the prevailing rules, then they didn't cheat. That is all.
On a tangential point, you have tried to manipulate my words at every turn. The effect of which meant the discussion could find no avenue for any agreement.
For example I had never said that people only compete in sport merely for fun. What I had said is that people have differing motives for participation including social and for fun. I also said that to some competitors, the intention to win is present. Hyrox is a mass participation sport that in its origins intended inclusivity, that meant of participants and their motives.
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monkers
Shaman
Indeed this frequently happens. It's called 'sportsmanship'. Here are a few examples ...
- Greg LeMond & Bernard Hinault (Tour de France, mid-1980s) When LeMond praised Hinault as “the greatest rider of his generation” even while battling him for yellow, commentators like Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen highlighted LeMond’s “remarkable humility and respect”.
- Chris Froome on Bradley Wiggins (2012 Tour de France) After Froome sacrificed his own chances to support Wiggins, he publicly called Wiggins “a true champion”. Commentators on ITV and Eurosport praised Froome’s words, pointing out how unusual it was for a rider to so openly elevate a teammate-rival, and how it reflected the ethos of the sport.
- Tadej Pogačar on Jonas Vingegaard (Tour de France 2022–23) Pogačar repeatedly described Vingegaard as “an incredible rider who makes me better”.
