Gender again. Sorry!

[Ianonabike]

Would you like to share any more imaginary narratives?
Personally I'm concerned that they haven't covered Hyrox for disabilities, Hyrox for mermaids and the three legged aliens have been left completely in the shade...

Bloody BBC bias.

Except there actually is BBC bias on this issue, whereas mermaids and three legged aliens never sat down with top brass to influence their oceanic and intergalactic coverage.

https://seeninjournalism.substack.com/p/the-pr-tactic-of-lived-experience
"People concerned with women’s rights were losing a fight they didn’t even know had started."

View: https://x.com/FoxNews/status/1986633862487621709?t=Wub6AVMat5X6ZdM4loUl_w&s=19

One of the replies to that tweet:

People forget that “doing nothing” is also a choice—a passive trade for comfort, at the cost of your own agency.

 

[CXRAndy]

Seems you cant trans your criminal history away,



like you cant change sex


View: https://x.com/TONYxTWO/status/1987223863898362275?t=ISS3n6pzx9vS5IYaU-9U4g&s=19

 

[monkers]

Seems you cant trans your criminal history away,

'

like you cant change sex

Nobody can remove their own criminal history by changing their name or other facets of identity. No ''seems'' about it. There are specific provisions written into the GRA to make it clear that so-called 'gendered crimes' can not be reclassified during or after transition. The GRA intends that a trans person with a GRC who commits a gendered crime before or after transition is charged and prosecuted as their birth sex.

I have never met a trans person who claims that a person can change their reproductive sex. Trans people identify as this exactly because they do not believe they are cisgender women.

It isn't difficult. Under UK equality law, people of different ethnicities have the same rights as indigenous white people, that does not turn them white or reduce the rights of white people to discrimination.

 

[CXRAndy]

Can if you're a doctor in the UK.

Get a new identity, no problem

 

[monkers]

Can if you're a doctor in the UK.

Get a new identity, no problem

How committed to this idea are you?

 

[CXRAndy]

How committed to this idea are you?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/docto...ng-erased-public-record-gmc-admits-5HjczbB_2/

 

[monkers]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/docto...ng-erased-public-record-gmc-admits-5HjczbB_2/

That's pretty shocking, but it doesn't back up your claim.

 

[CXRAndy]

In the USA it seems your history is attached, despite claiming to be something else. I was being facetious re British identity.

Shockingly you can hide disciplinary record by claiming to be another sex for doctors at least.

 

[icowden]

Maybe you should have a biscuit and a lie down then because the issue of impartial reporting isn't going away. It's the hand waving away of stuff like this and 'nothing to see here' that got us in this mess in the first place. Men like you are a gift to trans activism.

Did you actually look at the rulebook?

1. In order to participate in a HYROX event, racers must be at least 16 years old on the day of race.
2 Official rankings will be based on racers’ biological gender at birth. However, individuals who wish to participate for recreational purposes only, without being included in the official ranking, may register under their gender identity.
3 Each racer must agree to the terms and conditions of participation.
4 The only way to register for a HYROX event is via www.hyrox.com.

My reading of this is that a transwomen can compete recreationally with other women. They will not be included in official ranking. Hyrox seems to be designed to give personal feedback. So if a transwoman is competing it appears that they will get feedback comparing them with other biological women. At the same time I would guess that the feedback for biological women will not include the data for any transwomen.

Fairness in sport, does not require the exclusion of transwomen. Hyrox seem to have found a creative way to allow participation without disadvantaging anyone, unless they want to compete in elite races - in which case they are sticking with the same decision that other sports have made, that it would not be fair at the present time.

 

[CXRAndy]

Fairness in sport, does not require the exclusion of transwomen

You are correct. They just need to participate in their biological sex category

 

[icowden]

That's pretty shocking, but it doesn't back up your claim.

It's actually less shocking than it seems and probable stems from an historic attempt to "be fair" along with limitations in the computer system. We used to have a similar thing with adopted children and with people who change gender identity because most systems wouldn't permit changing someone's name wholesale (i.e. going back through the record to make retrospective changes) or gender - most of them have only just reached the stage where both biological gender and gender identity can be recorded. The guidance was that they should start afresh with a new NHS number because they are making a new start.

It took a while, but eventually health professionals persuaded the powers that be that having the pre-adoption records unlinked from the post-adoption records created safeguarding and health issues. You don't magically become a different person. The idea came from a good place, based around the idea of a fresh start, but just wasn't thought through enough.

I think for gender identity (although you probably know better than I - it really doesn't come up very often despite the portrayals in this endless discussion) you do get a separate record, but that it is linked back to your pre-transition records. Possibly now we have reached the stage where key records such as allergies etc get carried across.

 

[icowden]

Except there actually is BBC bias on this issue, whereas mermaids and three legged aliens never sat down with top brass to influence their oceanic and intergalactic coverage.

Shame that. I take your point - I just don't think that there is anything in the content of the article that pushes any agenda. The worst you could say is that the article focuses on women's hyrox but doesn't really include any views from biological women.

 

[CXRAndy]

Bias by omission. BBC famous for that

 

[monkers]

It's actually less shocking than it seems and probable stems from an historic attempt to "be fair" along with limitations in the computer system. We used to have a similar thing with adopted children and with people who change gender identity because most systems wouldn't permit changing someone's name wholesale (i.e. going back through the record to make retrospective changes) or gender - most of them have only just reached the stage where both biological gender and gender identity can be recorded. The guidance was that they should start afresh with a new NHS number because they are making a new start.

It took a while, but eventually health professionals persuaded the powers that be that having the pre-adoption records unlinked from the post-adoption records created safeguarding and health issues. You don't magically become a different person. The idea came from a good place, based around the idea of a fresh start, but just wasn't thought through enough.

I think for gender identity (although you probably know better than I - it really doesn't come up very often despite the portrayals in this endless discussion) you do get a separate record, but that it is linked back to your pre-transition records. Possibly now we have reached the stage where key records such as allergies etc get carried across.

Thank you. I have a long reply to you in mind, but work prevails. Please excuse a lack of expedient reply. I may get to it later.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Did you actually look at the rulebook?



My reading of this is that a transwomen can compete recreationally with other women. They will not be included in official ranking. Hyrox seems to be designed to give personal feedback. So if a transwoman is competing it appears that they will get feedback comparing them with other biological women. At the same time I would guess that the feedback for biological women will not include the data for any transwomen.

Fairness in sport, does not require the exclusion of transwomen. Hyrox seem to have found a creative way to allow participation without disadvantaging anyone, unless they want to compete in elite races - in which case they are sticking with the same decision that other sports have made, that it would not be fair at the present time.

Longwinded way of saying only the highest of elite women athletes deserve fairness in their sports.

Hyrox is so popular they have to have a lottery for places in the competitions. Every comp that man took part in he took a place from a woman competitor.

He also still competes in the women's category in licensed running events despite UK Athletics rules now excluding males, including this year's Cardiff half marathon.