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monkers

Legendary Member
So you agree that @AuroraSaab's assertion was entirely correct.


So three transwomen were incarcerated in a women's prison as AS described.


So three transwomen were incarcerated in a women's prison as AS described and held in what amounts to solitary confinement?


So you advocate that transwomen should be held in a women's prison but under conditions that make them entirely safe and which would be considered an abuse of their human rights? Conditions that I think Amnesty would challenge. That's fine in your book, as the alternative would be to give these individuals access to women who would then be rendered unsafe?

Surely a better solution is needed. A women's prison is clearly inappropriate for them.

I see you are having trouble identifying the truth too.

There is a reason in court for the expression, 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth'.

Sometimes a truth is not the whole truth, and is not nothing but the truth.

There were three trans women in Limerick prison. However it wasn't the whole truth, and it certainly we not nothing but the truth.

What AS said was disingenuous.

If you doubt it, read the two posts again.
 
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theclaud

theclaud

Reading around the chip
There are two rooms, one with , 5000 men one with 5000 women.
4900 of those men are sexual predators. 100 of those women are sexual predators.

If you have to choose a room to be in, butt naked, armed with only a feather duster and shouting "come and get me", which group are you less likely to be sexually molested by?

Which group are the bigger concern?

One of these groups is physically stronger and has a penis which can be inserted into a woman. The other group is physically weaker and unless they have brought something with them are limited to what they can do with their fingers.

Which group do we think is the major problem?

We do not legislate for outliers. Not everyone will obey the law. Women are far, far more likely to obey the law than men. They are vastly more likely to want to keep children safe. It is incredibly rare for a woman to be involved in paedophilia and in all instances (AFAIK) they are working with a man or men.

I see what you are trying to get at with this post, but it's still a frontrunner for Weirdest Post Ever. Do people not have a quick scan before they hit Reply?
 
I see you are having trouble identifying the truth too.

There is a reason in court for the expression, 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth'.

Sometimes a truth is not the whole truth, and is not nothing but the truth.

There were three trans women in Limerick prison. However it wasn't the whole truth, and it certainly we not nothing but the truth.

What AS said was disingenuous.

If you doubt it, read the two posts again.

How is it disingenuous? Are you saying the newsparers aren't accurately reporting the court decisions?

You were seeking to minimise the crimes of those transwomen placed on the women's wing of Limerick jail and I provided the links so people can read for themselves.

You've committed to 'transwomen are women' and got yourself in a position where you're compelled to defend this ridiculous policy because if they aren't in a women's jail then it proves they aren't really women. Ditto sports.
 

Ian H

Legendary Member
How is it disingenuous? Are you saying the newsparers aren't accurately reporting the court decisions?

You were seeking to minimise the crimes of those transwomen placed on the women's wing of Limerick jail and I provided the links so people can read for themselves.

You've committed to 'transwomen are women' and got yourself in a position where you're compelled to defend this ridiculous policy because if they aren't in a women's jail then it proves they aren't really women. Ditto sports.

Ahem! I think we're on amusing asides just at the moment.
 
How is it disingenuous? Are you saying the newsparers aren't accurately reporting the court decisions?

You were seeking to minimise the crimes of those transwomen placed on the women's wing of Limerick jail and I provided the links so people can read for themselves.

You've committed to 'transwomen are women' and got yourself in a position where you're compelled to defend this ridiculous policy because if they aren't in a women's jail then it proves they aren't really women. Ditto sports.
The State recognises them as women, therefore they are in a women's prison.

Are you saying that women should be in a men's prison. Or are you saying that your knowledge of another country's legal system is greater than those who compiled the laws?
 
There are lots of laws that are wrong. If there weren't we wouldn't change any law ever. People have a right to campaign for the law to be changed if they think it's wrong, I'm sure you'd agree.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
How is it disingenuous? Are you saying the newsparers aren't accurately reporting the court decisions?

You were seeking to minimise the crimes of those transwomen placed on the women's wing of Limerick jail and I provided the links so people can read for themselves.

You've committed to 'transwomen are women' and got yourself in a position where you're compelled to defend this ridiculous policy because if they aren't in a women's jail then it proves they aren't really women. Ditto sports.

What I am saying is clear - it's your inability to be truthful. I remember seeing this endlessly with Brexit campaigners; example, 'the unelected EU Commission'. While this is true, it's also a big fat lie, because while the Commission are not elected, it's because they don't need to be. In democratic structures, decision makers are elected, civil servants are not. This is a prime example of being disingenuous, and it's a style you've adopted.

What you chose to say, was that there were three trans women convicted of sex offences in a women's prison.

What you chose not to say was that, they were on the women's prison estate but not within the women's prison.

You chose not to say that two of them were convicted for prostitution, which is now decriminalised anyway, and that in itself does not make them a danger to other women.

You chose not to say that they had no access to any other prisoner even in the same wing let alone in the prison estate.

You chose to portray danger, where in fact there was none, at least not to other prisoners, but potential for a great deal of harm to those isolated prisoners.

In other words, you cherry-pick bits of the truth to portray danger where there is none. So I have to ask, what is it that makes a person want to do that? The only answer I have to that, is that you are deliberately being an alarmist; and that is where the similarity is with one aspect of fascism.
 
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Rusty Nails

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I see what you are trying to get at with this post, but it's still a frontrunner for Weirdest Post Ever. Do people not have a quick scan before they hit Reply?

These days I probably discard more replies than I eventually post.

I am trying to be more like Bill.

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What you chose to say, was that there were three trans women convicted of sex offences in a women's prison.

What you chose not to say was that, they were on the women's prison estate but not within the women's prison.

You chose not to say that two of them were convicted for prostitution, which is now decriminalised anyway, and that in itself does not make them a danger to other women.

None of the 3 held in Limerick last year were arrested for prostitution. Look at the court reports. One was a Brazilian prostitute married to an Irish man. They were convicted of possessing thousands of child abuse photos. Since released I understand.

I've posted the links. If you care to post the links to the news reports that prove your assertions we can check your information for ourselves.

You might want to correct the Irish Minister for Justice too. He seems to think they are in the women's jail.

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You chose not to say that they had no access to any other prisoner even in the same wing let alone in the prison estate.
The danger to women is reduced because they are so dangerous they are accompanied by guards all the time. Why you think this is some winning argument I can't imagine. 'They are so dangerous they can't be allowed out unaccompanied, therefore they aren't actually dangerous because they can't be allowed out unaccompanied ....'

You chose to portray danger, where in fact there was none, at least not to other prisoners, but potential for a great deal of harm to those isolated prisoners.

Then they'd be better off in the male estate where they wouldn't be considered so dangerous then and could socialise unrestricted.

So I have to ask, what is it that makes a person want to do that? The only answer I have to that, is that you are deliberately being an alarmist; and that is where the similarity is with one aspect of fascism.

What makes a person campaign so vigorously to place men in women's jails when we all know it's a terrible idea? It's because if they aren't in the women's jail it proves they aren't really women. Which means no transwoman is really a woman.

Never one to disappoint, you fail to provide any links to back up your assertions and end with the usual cry of 'fascism'.

(Edited to add clearer source of Minister's quote)
 
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Unkraut

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Which means no transwoman is really a woman.
The problem is that the statement 'transwomen are women' is not a rationally held belief.

It's the product of a society in which too many cannot think, and don't want people to think.
with the usual cry of 'fascism'.
The correct spelling is trans women. In the new age of tolerance and diversity you need to learn to obey orders ...
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
And some more linguistic fun for @theclaud as it turns out 'gender' (not on this chart but somewhere slightly downstream of 'genus') is etymologically related to the name Kevin.


View: https://twitter.com/olivia__ms/status/1626988049727909888?t=cDF0I4Txv-thyeE_XOkFWg&s=19


And 'sex' to 'saxophone'


View: https://twitter.com/olivia__ms/status/1624194783835979776?t=GKtriwkDb6yjn9eoCisSgA&s=19


It's interesting that 'sex' comes from 'cut' or 'divide'. I didn't know that but it makes sense of course.

And the second chart is ironic since the saxophone is the least sexy of all the musical instruments.

Some more internet fun as I idly wondered if I could find anyone named 'Gender Sex' and came across this dude, Kevin Sachs PhD.

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Turns out he's a Shaman and on the website I found him on, there's a section of podcasts exploring themes of sex and gender from a Shamanic perspective, including gender transformation and contemporary gender issues. Might be interesting bedtime listening.

https://whyshamanismnow.com/topics/gender-and-shamanism/

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multitool

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Some more internet fun as I idly wondered if I could find anyone named 'Gender Sex' and came across this dude, Kevin Sachs PhD.

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Turns out he's a Shaman and on the website I found him on, there's a section of podcasts exploring themes of sex and gender from a Shamanic perspective, including gender transformation and contemporary gender issues. Might be interesting bedtime listening.

https://whyshamanismnow.com/topics/gender-and-shamanism/

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There is a wealth of Shamanic writing on the interplay between love, sex, intelligence.
 
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