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multitool

Pharaoh
Sadly I cannot even hope to aspire to the perfection of our resident adolescent bell-end.

You might get a little closer to perfection if you bother to read what my post was about, icow, rather than just starting to bellow.

You typed "shouting and death threats would help". I think you meant 'would not'.

And it was a response to classic. Hence the word "classic".

Why the insult, icow?
 
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multitool

Pharaoh
Only where a legal distinction is required. The law is seldom used to make the distinction.

No. The law literally does.

It says trans women with a GRC are women. Not men.
 
And yet sports bodies can exclude those transwomen from women's sporting events.
How is it possible to do that if the law is absolute?

Obviously, if the event and its organisers are outwith the UK then our law has no relevance.

Provisions in the Equality Act permit certain limited exceptions to its provisions. In each case actions must be objectively justified as a means of achieving a legitimate aim.

However, the For Women Scotland case which @AuroraSaab mentioned has looked at this in the context of Women Only places on public bodies in Scotland and found that transwomen with a GRC are female for that purpose. The wider effect of that decision, which is under appeal, is being debated amongst legal academics...
 
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multitool

Pharaoh
Obviously

Because I don't have to put up with overexcited adolescent boys getting over excited because the word "cow" is in my name. Get over it.

:laugh:

It is LITERALLY your username cut in half...much the same as when you or others call me 'Tool'.

It's YOU getting overexcited by your own name because it has 'cow' in it, not me. What is wrong with you?

Just thank your lucky stars you don't share a name with former US assistant chief of protocol,
Randy Bumgardner.
 
The two athletes in that 2021 article, Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi both have dsd's and have undergone male development, hence their high testosterone. They have an unfair advantage over biological women.

The fact that the development of an embryo very occasionally (0.02%) goes awry does not mean sex isn't binary.

All 3 medalists in the 800m in the 2016 Olympics were biological males with similar dsds, just like Caster Semenya. It's likely they all have the 5-ard dsd, where you are genetically male but born with ambiguous genitalia which in developing countries with poor antenatal care can go undiagnosed and lead to them being raised as girls.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/5-alpha-reductase-deficiency/


https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/athlet...elopment-at-the-olympics-20210701-p585y6.html

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/b...-to-leave-more-female-athletes-stuck-in-limbo

The existence of people born with a medical condition in no way undermines the binary nature of sex, and obviously athletes with dsds are nothing to do with transwomen being allowed into the female sports category. It is two separate issues.
 
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classic33

Über Member
The two athletes in that 2021 article, Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi both have dsd's and have undergone male development, hence their high testosterone. They have an unfair advantage over biological women.

The fact that the development of an embryo very occasionally (0.02%) goes awry does not mean sex isn't binary.

All 3 medalists in the 800m in the 2016 Olympics were biological males with similar dsds, just like Caster Semenya. It's likely they all have the 5-ard dsd, where you are genetically male but born with ambiguous genitalia which in developing countries with poor antenatal care can go undiagnosed and lead to them being raised as girls.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/5-alpha-reductase-deficiency/


https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/athlet...elopment-at-the-olympics-20210701-p585y6.html

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/b...-to-leave-more-female-athletes-stuck-in-limbo

The existence of people born with a medical condition in no way undermines the binary nature of sex, and obviously athletes with dsds are nothing to do with transwomen being allowed into the female sports category. It is two separate issues.
Two athletes, it mentions five.
One of whom you insisted was female, with a natural advantage. So had every right to run in the 100m to 800m races, without having any medical intervention.
You later denied that she was a "biological woman" and shouldn't be allowed in women's races.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
The two athletes in that 2021 article, Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi both have dsd's and have undergone male development, hence their high testosterone. They have an unfair advantage over biological women.

The fact that the development of an embryo very occasionally (0.02%) goes awry does not mean sex isn't binary.

All 3 medalists in the 800m in the 2016 Olympics were biological males with similar dsds, just like Caster Semenya. It's likely they all have the 5-ard dsd, where you are genetically male but born with ambiguous genitalia which in developing countries with poor antenatal care can go undiagnosed and lead to them being raised as girls.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/5-alpha-reductase-deficiency/


https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/athlet...elopment-at-the-olympics-20210701-p585y6.html

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/b...-to-leave-more-female-athletes-stuck-in-limbo

The existence of people born with a medical condition in no way undermines the binary nature of sex, and obviously athletes with dsds are nothing to do with transwomen being allowed into the female sports category. It is two separate issues.

Just because gametes are binary, it does not follow that all other considerations of sex are.

In one breath we hear that gametes are the test for sex, next breath it's external genitals, next breath it's chromosomes, next breath it's DNA.

If you can't define what a woman is, what chance does the IOC or Keir Starmer have?
 
Two athletes, it mentions five.
One of whom you insisted was female, with a natural advantage. So had every right to run in the 100m to 800m races, without having any medical intervention.
You later denied that she was a "biological woman" and shouldn't be allowed in women's races.
It mentions 2 in the headline. As to the rest, I have no idea what you are talking about. As usual. I said none of that though. All the athletes with the 5-ard dsd are biological males. They have previously been allowed to run, but can now only run in events over 400m because it has, for unfathomable reasons, been decreed that they only have unfair advantage in higher distances.

One of the runners in the article, Margaret Wambui, has even suggested a third category for dsd athletes:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/africa/57239439.amp

If you can't define what a woman is, what chance does the IOC or Keir Starmer have?

We all know what a woman is. This ridiculous game of pretending noone knows it's biological material reality is simply a way of trying to undermine provision for women by suggesting anyone can be a woman because 'What's a woman??? Nobody knows!! It's a mystery! We can all be women!'

Asking 'What is a woman?' isn't a test of knowledge. It's a test of who is prepared to lie.

All mammals have developed to have bodies that produce either big gametes or small ones. Hence, two sexes. There are dozens of different dsds. Does that mean there are dozens of different sexes? No, of course not. There are two sexes with occasional variation in development.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/understanding-the-sex-binary

Appropriating the difficulties of people with dsds - some of which have serious medical implications - in order to justify including men who don't have a dsd in the female sports category is in poor taste.

'Some people have medical conditions, therefore men without a medical condition can be in women's sports, changing rooms, refuges.....'

Dsd folk are just useful to be exploited to the benefit of those without a dsd it seems.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
I think men who think other men should be in women and girl's single sex spaces would fit that description much better.

And where does that leave all those women (the majority of women) who agree with those men? Misogynistic too, obviously.

"Let Women Speak!"

"NO!!!! NOT THOSE ONES!!!"
 
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