Gender again. Sorry!

[Deleted member 159]

ECtHR have ruled by a unanimous decision

No it was 4 votes for and 3 against, that's not unanimous

Its a split decision with dissenting opinions

 

[Deleted member 159]

SHe is a human, a person

Corrected it for you

 

[monkers]

Corrected it for you

You didn't. She gets to decide.

 

[monkers]

No it was 4 votes for and 3 against, that's not unanimous

Its a split decision with dissenting opinions

Point accepted.

 

[AndyRM]

Not using the correct pronouns for someone is one thing, but claiming Semenya is a man is next level.

 

[multitool]

All the saddo right wing reactionaries crying because their long held belief was biological sex is binary along strict lines before they even heard the word 'chromosome'. Societal indoctrination based on ignorant paradigms.

It's not even that, though is it.

They are people who enjoy being nasty to people who are not like them. They can't do it in the public arena anymore about gay or black people, so what's left for them...

 

[AuroraSaab]

Not using the correct pronouns for someone is one thing, but claiming Semenya is a man is next level.

Semenya has a dsd. It's the 5 ARD dsd. It's a male dsd. In a country like the UK this would have been picked up at a hospital birth or at post birth check ups.

The court case was about whether the procedure for hearing the case was fair, not whether CS should be eligible. It was a case against the Swiss government not the sport. World Athletics have confirmed that nothing has changed.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1138806/semenya-echr-ruling

 

[monkers]

Semenya has a dsd. It's the 5 ARD dsd. It's a male dsd. In a country like the UK this would have been picked up at a hospital birth or at post birth check ups.

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The court case was about whether the procedure for hearing the case was fair, not whether CS should be eligible. It was a case against the Swiss government not the sport. World Athletics have confirmed that nothing has changed.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1138806/semenya-echr-ruling

5ARD is neither a male or a female developmental sequence. Semenya was raised as female.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Not using the correct pronouns for someone is one thing, but claiming Semenya is a man is next level.

XY chromosomes decided

 

[monkers]

XY chromosomes decided

If it must be a man we women let decide, let's at least leave the job to a 'real man' eh Andy?

 

[Deleted member 159]

If it must be a man we women let decide, let's at least leave the job to a 'real man' eh Andy?

Of course its a male. Why let women decide, they so far have made a pathetic attempt at protecting their own rights. Apart from some prominent speakers

You don't hear or see issues with so called 'trans men' causing problems for XY men. They just don't stand for it. Or could it be Trans men are deep down women, not confrontational or physical enough to bully men.

I see men who are trying to declare themselves female, are behaving as bullying males, which always pick on the weak.

 

[AuroraSaab]

5ARD is neither a male or a female developmental sequence. Semenya was raised as female.

Explained at length here by the Harvard PhD author of the book 'Testosterone'.

"Caster and others with her DSD are not females with "hyperandrogenism," i.e., abnormally high levels of testosterone. They are males with testosterone-producing testes and XY sex chromosomes, and normal levels of testosterone for their sex. They experience the physical benefits of this high testosterone during puberty...."


View: https://twitter.com/hoovlet/status/1678772398617956355


Being raised as female, or being legally female, as a result of this condition not being diagnosed at birth, is not relevant in terms of fairness in women's sport.

For anybody who thinks this is a minor issue, World Athletics states that:

"approximately 7.1 in every 1000 elite female athletes in our sport are DSD athletes with very high testosterone levels in the male range. The majority of those athletes compete in the restricted events covered by the regulations. This frequency of DSD individuals in the elite athlete population is around 140 times higher than you will find in the general female population, and their presence on the podium is much more frequent even than this."

All 3 800m Olympic medallists in 2016 were 5 ARD athletes, ie male.

https://worldathletics.org/news/press-release/questions-answers-iaaf-female-eligibility-reg

 

[monkers]

Of course its a male. Why let women decide, they so far have made a pathetic attempt at protecting their own rights. Apart from some prominent speakers

You don't hear or see issues with so called 'trans men' causing problems for XY men. They just don't stand for it. Or could it be Trans men are deep down women, not confrontational or physical enough to bully men.

I see men who are trying to declare themselves female, are behaving as bullying males, which always pick on the weak.

I'll just let this sit here so people can see that you refer to women as 'it' and that they are so pathetic that they need help. Nice job.

 

[monkers]

Explained at length here by the Harvard PhD author of the book 'Testosterone'.

"Caster and others with her DSD are not females with "hyperandrogenism," i.e., abnormally high levels of testosterone. They are males with testosterone-producing testes and XY sex chromosomes, and normal levels of testosterone for their sex. They experience the physical benefits of this high testosterone during puberty...."


View: https://twitter.com/hoovlet/status/1678772398617956355


Being raised as female, or being legally female, as a result of this condition not being diagnosed at birth, is not relevant in terms of fairness in women's sport.

For anybody who thinks this is a minor issue, World Athletics states that:

"approximately 7.1 in every 1000 elite female athletes in our sport are DSD athletes with very high testosterone levels in the male range. The majority of those athletes compete in the restricted events covered by the regulations. This frequency of DSD individuals in the elite athlete population is around 140 times higher than you will find in the general female population, and their presence on the podium is much more frequent even than this."

All 3 800m Olympic medallists in 2016 were 5 ARD athletes, ie male.

https://worldathletics.org/news/press-release/questions-answers-iaaf-female-eligibility-reg

I think everyone has a handle on your nonsense by now. You must be glad of Andy's help though surely?

 

[Deleted member 159]

All 3 800m Olympic medallists in 2016 were 5 ARD athletes, ie male.

Wow- I didn't know that. Something should've been done sooner to stop these males competing. At least IAAF has set some rules -this year