Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

Stop it, my sides are hurting

Women are adult human females,
Nothing more, nothing less.

Everyone else is in a pantomime

Stop right there. Pantomimes have 'panto dames' in them and are hereby banned by the GC Taliban. You mustn't say such things these days.

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[AuroraSaab]

Clearly not. The EqA makes no mention of biological sex as a stand alone protected characteristic either in terms of 'female' or 'woman'.

It didn't need to because until very recently men had not claimed to be women. It's the constant attempt of people like you to redefine the sex categories that has prompted suggestions that the EHRC make clear that it's a biological definition not a metaphysical one.

The duck-billed platypus is a mammal but even with XX chromosomes it doesn't bake baby ones. Do you want to try again?

It's a mamal though so it develops down either a male or female reproductive pathway. Whether it reproduces or not, platypuses can be only one of two sexes.

Helpful hint, nature doesn't follow rules.

It pretty much does though, with the occasional tiny % of times it goes awry. That's what a billion years of evolution has ended up with - anisogamy in mamals. You could probably bang on about clownfish, seahorses, and fungi, as a desperate straw clutching exercise, but we aren't any of those.

We discovered this the other day following a brief battle when it was finally agreed that 'innate' does not only mean 'from birth'.

It wasn't agreed at all. You managed to find a dictionary that gave 3 definitions, and desperately grasped onto the 3rd one, imagining it was some gotcha that overturned the common definition. Bizarrely, it's you who is now contradicting yourself having spent a year telling us gender is innate.

 

[Deleted member 159]

The duck-billed platypus is a mammal but even with XX chromosomes it doesn't bake baby ones. Do you want to try again?

Helpful hint, nature doesn't follow rules.

Nature evolves, usually to environmental opportunities. Trans isn't an evolution of humans development .

In natural selection, genetic mutations that are beneficial to an individual's survival are passed on through reproduction

Trans women can't reproduce with males, so will be discarded through natural selection

 

[monkers]

It didn't need to because until very recently men had not claimed to be women. It's the constant attempt of people like you to redefine the sex categories that has prompted suggestions that the EHRC make clear that it's a biological definition not a metaphysical one.

Chronology not a strong point either? You are arguing an anachronism again. The EqA came 6 years after the GRA. The invention of the time machine may help you one day, just not yet.

 

[Bromptonaut]

It didn't need to because until very recently men had not claimed to be women. It's the constant attempt of people like you to redefine the sex categories that has prompted suggestions that the EHRC make clear that it's a biological definition not a metaphysical one.

That's nonsense. Transwomen have been women for practical purposes for ages. Greeks and Romans had ideas though it might have been C20 before people turned their minds to the medico-legal stuff.

A brief Google finds a famous one born the day before my Mother: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jorgensen

 

[monkers]

Nature evolves, usually to environmental opportunities. Trans isn't an evolution of humans development .

In natural selection, genetic mutations that are beneficial to an individual's survival are passed on through reproduction

Trans women can't reproduce with males, so will be discarded through natural selection

The law provides that a trans woman can marry a cis man in a opposite sex marriage. For a trans woman to marry a cis woman, the law provides for that as a same sex marriage.

You think you have common sense, but the law thinks otherwise.

 

[AuroraSaab]

That's nonsense. Transwomen have been women for practical purposes for ages.

And then you literally quote an example where a transwoman couldn't marry a man because they were both male. By 'practical purposes' you just mean living as you think a woman would live, ie stereotypes of dress etc.
It always comes down to performing stereotypes in the end. Or a piece of paper.

A brief Google finds a famous one born the day before my Mother: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jorgensen

 

[monkers]

And then you literally quote an example where a transwoman couldn't marry a man because they were both male. By 'practical purposes' you just mean living as they you a woman would live, ie stereotypes of dress etc.

For the UK the GRA fixed that 20 years ago. Other countries were ahead of the UK.

According to you trans women should pee where their husbands pee; and trans men should pee where their wives pee. Can't you see just how daft such a law would look?

 

[Bromptonaut]

And then you literally quote an example where a transwoman couldn't marry a man because they were both male.

Is that the best you can do?

 

[icowden]

The duck-billed platypus is a mammal but even with XX chromosomes it doesn't bake baby ones. Do you want to try again?

Yes it does. The XX (or XXXXXXXX) platypus lays a fertilised egg. It might gestate the baby outside the body but the female still has ovaries and produces the egg.

 

[icowden]

We discovered this the other day following a brief battle when it was finally agreed that 'innate' does not only mean 'from birth'. Mind you that agreement is probably null and void by now.

Pretty sure that wasn't me. And I have provided no definitions of my own. Only those known to OED and Merriam Webster,

 

[Deleted member 159]

Transwomen have been women for practical purposes for ages.

Post links to having a baby, menstruating. Hysterectomy procedure?

 

[monkers]

Post links to having a baby, menstruating. Hysterectomy procedure?

Yes these are all the common traits of what it is to be a woman. I've not had baby or a hysterectomy. I don't menstruate. I am a possibly a mammal though. Perhaps I'm duck-billed platypus.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Is that the best you can do?

Is the best you can do to say that you are a woman because of a piece of paper or a stereotype? Because that seems rather insulting.

For the UK the GRA fixed that 20 years ago. Other countries were ahead of the UK.

No it didn't as the EHRC have made clear. Transwomen can be excluded for being male when appropriate.

According to you trans women should pee where their husbands pee; and trans men should pee where their wives pee. Can't you see just how daft such a law would look?

I think men should be excluded from women's single sex services and sports when appropriate. It's OK that groups have stuff for themselves when appropriate, whether based on being gay, male, female, disabled, religious or race, including specialised services for trans people too. How entitled of you to think that they shouldn't be allowed to.

 

[monkers]

Because that seems rather insulting.

oh! Emergency - irony overload.