AuroraSaab
Squire
We're all using the term 'misgendering' presumably because we all understand what it means. I could just have easily used 'correctly/incorrectly sexed'. I'll use that term if you'd rather.
Gender again. Sorry!
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We're all using the term 'misgendering' presumably because we all understand what it means. I could just have easily used 'correctly/incorrectly sexed'. I'll use that term if you'd rather.
AuroraSaab
Squire
No it doesn't. I think you shouldn't be compelled to use someone's preferred pronouns if you don't wish to. What people do in individual circumstances is up to them surely.
I don't object. I don't think you should be compelled to if you don't want to.
No, it's a compromise between using the pronouns appropriate to a person's sex and deliberately using ones they would prefer you not to. We use 'they' all the time in discussing others, both when we know their sex and when we don't.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Pronoun introduction is a relatively new thing.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
Pronouns on badges, email signatures etc even where everybody uses their 'normal'/birth pronouns is to normalise the practice. We're encouraged, but not instructed, to do it where I work - an advice charity.
Bit late if you suddenly do it when a trans employee comes along - or they're the only one with a pronoun.
icowden
Squire
Why? If one person wants to be different - isn't that OK? Why do we all have to change what we do? If someone arrives at work and is in a wheelchair, we make sure the workplace is accessible. We don't all start using Wheelchairs to show solidarity.
So if there is a place to show it on the badge and someone wants to show it- let them. But don't make a point of insisting that everyone puts their pronouns on their badge when for 99% (or even 100%) it's completely pointless.
newfhouse
pleb
It is, but many people just want to live their lives quietly without being a focus of attention.
These words have different meanings.
monkers
Legendary Member
Because we are all different anyway. Diversity should mean richness, not a lack of conformity. Who wants to live in a boring world where the only flavour is vanilla?
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It's not how natural conversation begins.
Hello, how are you etc. Maybe hi my name is.
Not, what do do you go by. Sounds false, is false.
Comes down to, if you're a man or woman, howI would base my introduction.
If I was unsure, not so difficult generally, I would go with best guess.
I would never go about asking pronouns as an introduction
If someone insisted that I do that, they would be told to do one
Hello, how are you etc. Maybe hi my name is.
Not, what do do you go by. Sounds false, is false.
Comes down to, if you're a man or woman, howI would base my introduction.
If I was unsure, not so difficult generally, I would go with best guess.
I would never go about asking pronouns as an introduction
If someone insisted that I do that, they would be told to do one
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
monkers
Legendary Member
Maybe we should stop wasting time shaking hands when we meet others, but start displaying our genitals instead, or sniff them like farm animals? We could then end all this wokery about public loos being private spaces. What do you say CXRandy? Is that full-blooded enough for you?
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
As I said, the intention is to make it normal to let people know your preferred pronoun. In my place most are he/him or she/her but some prefer a neutral they/them. It's not difficult and, as of now, nobody has to.
The wheelchair thing is is an elephants/bananas comparison (i.e. pretending different things are the same) and if were not it would be classic whataboutery
icowden
Squire
But the question is, why do we need to make that normal when it applies to a very very very tiny percentage of people. We have got by with him and her for quite a long time.
monkers
Legendary Member
Because it's not abnormal not to be the same as you.
icowden
Squire
I didn't say it was. I said it was abnormal to pretend to be the same as you by making 2000 people change something that only affects 1 person and which they could easily show without the other 2000 people having to agree to do the same thing.
(figures are arbitrary).
If difference is good then why so much emphasis on fitting in and being the same?
monkers
Legendary Member
There's a fatal flaw in your argument.
