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And that comes into second place after the quoted post.No point using the @. I don't get notifications from Cyclechat.
Here on News, Current Affairs and Politics, as well as Cycle Chat.
And that comes into second place after the quoted post.No point using the @. I don't get notifications from Cyclechat.
It wasn't a coincidence. The Nazis turned up to goad the transactivists. Not sure Nazis are big fans of feminism, women's rights, and support for lesbians.
Very entrenched views are unlikely to be changed as a result of an internet forum discussion.
It will be a success if it makes people with less entrenched views accept there may be a different angle to the topic.
Not entirely, but I'd say that mine have shifted since the start of the thread. What that says about me, I'm not sure.Agreed, but is there any evidence anyone has changed views.
I suspect that we would agree that this is a bit all things with 4 legs are cows, and taps into my personal perception that there are people who are genuinely trans such as yourself, and then those who aren't but have a sexual interest in appearing as such, who tend to be the group categorised as perverts and paedos.The media has been running headline stories concerning trans people correlating as paedophiles.
Therefore causation is proven.
Duly noted. By me anyway :-)Please kindly note that I had not called any poster here a 'Nazi', 'Neo-Nazi', 'Fascist' or other such term of endearment.
Not entirely, but I'd say that mine have shifted since the start of the thread. What that says about me, I'm not sure.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...olice-quickly-ruled-out-transphobia-as-motivetransgender hate crime is unlikely to be curtailed whilst Kemmi Badenoch is the equalities minister.
Very similar off whats was left of the KKK rally for Obama instead of Hillary Clinton at the time because they thought a women in power was a bigger issue than a black man. They obviously disliked both.Joint motive is not required for joint enterprise. Neo Nazis do not have to be fans of feminism etc; they just need the one similar ideology.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...olice-quickly-ruled-out-transphobia-as-motive
Never miss the opportunity to abuse a tragedy right? disgusting
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...olice-quickly-ruled-out-transphobia-as-motive
Never miss the opportunity to abuse a tragedy right? disgusting
What on earth are you on about?https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...olice-quickly-ruled-out-transphobia-as-motive
Never miss the opportunity to abuse a tragedy right? disgusting
Along with the ''kill lists'' but killers had it does sounds more likely that it are two very sick young perons. Also considering the carefull wording chosen by the police officer. (it doesn't deny transphobia but does not see it as primary motive which could suggest they talked about a number off targets for example)I don't think it's yet 'case closed' on Transphobia there whatever the police say. UK police have long form for playing down race as a factor in crime and I'm not yet persuaded that the same thing isn't in play here.
Yeah but that's always the point, completely ruled out is with individuals like this impossible so it gets an mention and in February the headlines will feature it was all because she was trans..As Helen Pidd's Guardian piece says we've not yet got to sentencing and won't until February. If Yip J says transphobia was an aggravating facto then I don't think it can be eliminated as part of the equation.
Yes as my response above to a other poster and additionally ''transphobic messaging'' isn't the same as ''transgender hate crime'' unless those ''kill list'' consist out of only transgenders persons for they fact they where being transgender persons it's more likely it where to very warped individuals who might also said transphobic things but that is something else than that being the primarily motive.N here Dutchguy.
The police did not need to establish a motive such as transphobia. Motive is very useful for the purposes of detection of a suspect. In this case the suspects were quickly identified without motive. Motive was not necessary to take the case to the next stage, one of reporting to the CPS. Likewise, neither the CPS or the prosecution counsel would need to establish motive for the purposes of the trial.
The hate aggravation element of the crime is not to be determined by the jury. Therefore 'hate aggravation did not need to be an adjunct to the principal crime on the charge sheet.
For the purposes of this trial, it is a matter from Mrs Justice Amanda Yip to determine whether hate aggravation is a sentencing factor. We will learn of her thoughts on 2nd February.
Among the thousands of messages between the two, some of the messages did include transphobic messaging. I will say that I believe this is the evidence that Justice Yip must weigh.
I hope you find the above useful.
Along with the ''kill lists'' but killers had it does sounds more likely that it are two very sick young perons. Also considering the carefull wording chosen by the police officer. (it doesn't deny transphobia but does not see it as primary motive which could suggest they talked about a number off targets for example)
Yeah but that's always the point, completely ruled out is with individuals like this impossible so it gets an mention and in February the headlines will feature it was all because she was trans..
Which is the convenient answer, the inconvenient answer is whilst no doubt they would have transpobic comments, she was more likely targeted because she was the easiest victim. And that answer is the most inconvenient because it shows the current approach doesn't work, it's battling the symptoms instead of the disease.
Yes as my response above to a other poster and additionally ''transphobic messaging'' isn't the same as ''transgender hate crime'' unless those ''kill list'' consist out of only transgenders persons for they fact they where being transgender persons it's more likely it where to very warped individuals who might also said transphobic things but that is something else than that being the primarily motive.
Creative spin, no i did not say or wanted to say that. i say actually what i write.So you're saying that if transphobia isn't the only motive it doesn't count.
Creative spin, no i did not say or wanted to say that. i say actually what i write.