Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
The government of Israel is very keen to shut down debate by chucking claims of antisemitism about.
Gender again. Sorry!
- Thread starter theclaud
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The government of Israel is very keen to shut down debate by chucking claims of antisemitism about.
AuroraSaab
Squire
So probably best if we ignore attempts from any side to stifle the debate on important issues then, whether it's from governments or from abusive individuals and groups.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
Indeed. But it cuts both ways.
AuroraSaab
Squire
It's not women trying to stifle debate on trans issues. I don't see women turning out in black at trans events to stop them taking place or trying to shut book shops that sell books by trans authors. It pretty much is one way.
classic33
Me
Talking on Monday night to someone who's job is managing events at different areas. Some where the facilities are on site, others where they have to be brought on site for the event(s) to go ahead.
They pointed out that it wasn't trans women that caused them the biggest issues on the day. But women who decided that for the purpose of using the facilities provided, they now identified as men. As a result they were entitled to use the use the men's facilities. Often where there'd be minors using the same facilities. They didn't want to wait, so chose to identity as a man.
This raises two issues, the first being that they now had to bring female staff over(just in case a change of mind was made when inside). This meant that the number of female staff available covering the women's facilities was reduced, increasing the risk to those using them should something happen.
One female staff member attacked, and off work due to the injuries suffered in the attack at the hands of a women who kicked off upon leaving the men's facilities. He now has the paperwork to sort out.
They pointed out that it wasn't trans women that caused them the biggest issues on the day. But women who decided that for the purpose of using the facilities provided, they now identified as men. As a result they were entitled to use the use the men's facilities. Often where there'd be minors using the same facilities. They didn't want to wait, so chose to identity as a man.
This raises two issues, the first being that they now had to bring female staff over(just in case a change of mind was made when inside). This meant that the number of female staff available covering the women's facilities was reduced, increasing the risk to those using them should something happen.
One female staff member attacked, and off work due to the injuries suffered in the attack at the hands of a women who kicked off upon leaving the men's facilities. He now has the paperwork to sort out.
icowden
Legendary Member
Why would you need female staff to police the men's toilets? Minors are usually taken to the toilet by women in my experience.
So a member of staff had a go at a woman for using the men's toilets because the ladies toilets were, as usual, inadequate and under resourced, and that resulted in a fight?
TBH it just sounds like a problem that has been created for the sake of it.
If you are providing toilet facilities you have three types:-
1) Cubicles for people who need to sit. These are usually individual units with locking doors and can thus be unisex.
2) Urinals for men who can stand and point. These can be fitted into a much more concentrated unit, thus making more space for No.1
3) Female Urinals - these now exist and help to reduce the queues for No.1
Stop providing cubicles that are just for men or just for women. Problem solved.
AuroraSaab
Squire
'Queue for the Ladies was massive so some desperate-for-a-wee women went in the Gents rather than miss the second half of the show'. Bit different from 'identifying as men' or giving men free access to all women's single sex spaces.
classic33
Me
So, at the age of sixteen you were still being taken into the women's facilities by your mother!
Facilities here doesn't just include toilets, showering and changing areas are included.
Normally done because of a large number of women who can't be bothered waiting, so decide for their needs they now identity as men. And if a large proportion decide to do this, then it's too late to get extra staff in once it has happened.
The staff member was attacked by the self identifying women. Not as you described, the staff attacking the user.
If the venue has the facilities, then how do you add to them, inside the building?
classic33
Me
You need to stop thinking just about the toilet.
AuroraSaab
Squire
You brought them up, but as you know, Classic, it's not about toilets any more than it was about water fountains.
AuroraSaab
Squire
The tired old misogyny of mocking a woman about her looks. A bit hypocritical for those who go batsh*t over the mocking of men who dress in women's clothes.
classic33
Me
Show me where?
I said facilities. The same facilities you want safeguarding. Only this time it's women saying they're men to access an area, which makes it okay in your book.
You're argument of wanting to safeguard single sex spaces/areas applies only to when in use by yourself.
You've proved it yet again.
multitool
Guest
Just to refocus everyone's minds for a moment:
Remember, there are hordes of trans women trying to get into women's spaces in order to perv. Seen them myself, queuing up to get in.
It's a real problem and don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.
That is why literally every woman I know is talking about it as the number one problem in their life.
Remember, there are hordes of trans women trying to get into women's spaces in order to perv. Seen them myself, queuing up to get in.
It's a real problem and don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.
That is why literally every woman I know is talking about it as the number one problem in their life.
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