AndyRM
Elder Goth
It was never going to be as it never was an issue.
Gender again. Sorry!
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It was never going to be as it never was an issue.
AuroraSaab
Squire
It was obviously an issue to some of the women who ran in it, even if it wasn't important to you. Instead of addressing that issue, Parkrun have removed all the records. As a result some of the Parkrun men are now more than a little upset to lose their titles, records, and times. Looks like it wasn't just a bit of fun/not competitive/ times don't matter/it's just about community for everybody afterall.
They'd rather remove every record than give women fairness.
They'd rather remove every record than give women fairness.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
Yet they publish the results and up until now records. Most people seem to manage to process the fact that it's both competitive and non-competitive. Most of those competing are doing so in a non-competitive way.
As for the trans issue (non-issue?) what were they supposed to do?
Bromptonaut
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A less dramatically worded report is here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...kesperson-over-trans-rights-views-court-rules
AuroraSaab
Squire
Ask people to enter in the category appropriate to their birth sex, like they do with age. Correct records if people don't respect that, whether it's age or sex. If you are having categories, times, records, they should be fair categories.
It wasn't a non issue to some of the women who run, even though it doesn't bother you obviously.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
Then it has to be policed. Parkrun becomes a different beast to what it is.
Best to choose the important battles IMHO.
AuroraSaab
Squire
They aren't infiltrators. They are women who have been running it for years and complaining about it for quite a while.
You've just been ignoring it. Many female runners have spoken out about it. It's been an issue since trans identified male Lauren Jeska took the Women's course record in Aberystwyth in 2012 - a record that still stands and is unlikely to be beaten by a woman, however good they are.
Why has it got more publicity recently? Because women have got increasingly fed up with it and because the numbers of men entering in the Women's category is increasing. At least 20 Women's records are currently held by men.
AuroraSaab
Squire
Not that difficult to police.
I disagree. I don't think you would say the same if it was drug doping in amateur cycling or other sports. Nobody says 'Let 20 year olds play under 16 football, it's that not important to be fair'.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
You appear to not understand how parkrun works. If you have suggestions please share them.
Under 16 football is 'policed' at least to some extent and is possible to police. Although I'm not aware of anyone being asked for birth certificates when my kids were playing.
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Not if the trans get their way .
Have you not heard a 50 yr old man identifies as a 13yr old girl at swimming club in Canada.
He gets changed in front of the young girls-pervert is a polite way of describing his behaviour.
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multitool
Pharaoh
Mr Celine
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AuroraSaab
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You make it clear on the entry that runners are expected to enter in the category correct for their sex or age. If they then achieve a course/age group record and someone complains the organisers should investigate further and correct the record if appropriate. They would do exactly that if a 25 year old claimed an age group record for a much younger category.
No birth certs are requested because junior and amateur sport relies on trust, not because it can't be policed. If people regularly broke this trust amateur sport would start policing it pretty quickly I reckon.
