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monkers

Legendary Member
Since the recent halt in many European countries of trans operations and drugs there hasn't been a marked increase in trans deaths

So those wanting medical procedures are doing it for vanity/personal gratification

Source please.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Since the recent halt in many European countries of trans operations and drugs there hasn't been a marked increase in trans deaths

So those wanting medical procedures are doing it for vanity/personal gratification


Your definition of vanity/personal gratification clearly differs from my own.

Dysmorphia is a very real and challenging thing which takes a lot to overcome but in some cases is insurmountable.

I've suffered from it, still do sometimes, and it's not a feeling I'd wish on anyone, or judge anyone wishing to resolve it.
 

icowden

Legendary Member
However you should note that domperidone (also a travel sickness drug) is not on the list of medications that pregnant or breastfeeding women should avoid.
https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/domper...eding-and-fertility-while-taking-domperidone/
That's because biological women don't need to take very much of it. In higher quantities the EMA has something to say:-
Use of domperidone for lactation is off licence and not without risk. In April 2014, the European Medicines Agency issued a warning about its use, highlighting serious, but rare, adverse effects including prolongation of the QT interval, arrhythmias, and sudden cardiac death.3 These risks need to be balanced against the fact that not prescribing domperidone could lead to the unintentional loss of the significant benefits of breastfeeding to mother and child.
Although there is a study here on a single transwoman:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/
which suggests that the domperidone may have not been needed.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
Use of domperidone for lactation is off licence and not without risk. In April 2014, the European Medicines Agency issued a warning about its use, highlighting serious, but rare, adverse effects including prolongation of the QT interval, arrhythmias, and sudden cardiac death.3 These risks need to be balanced against the fact that not prescribing domperidone could lead to the unintentional loss of the significant benefits of breastfeeding to mother and child.

Thank you for this. I'm pleased to see you acknowledging that risks are balanced on a benefit to risk basis rather than being guaranteed risk free. This also strongly suggests that the claim of zero research made by another poster is incorrect.
 
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Thank you for this. I'm pleased to see you acknowledging that risks are balanced on a benefit to risk basis rather than being guaranteed risk free. This also strongly suggests that the claim of zero research made by another poster is incorrect.
From the same piece
"Despite safety concerns and the lack of trial evidence, when all conservative measures have been exhausted and natural augmentation has failed, the use of domperidone may be considered.5 The mother should have no cardiac comorbidities and be fully aware of the risks of the medication."
 
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Your definition of vanity/personal gratification clearly differs from my own.

Dysmorphia is a very real and challenging thing which takes a lot to overcome but in some cases is insurmountable.

I've suffered from it, still do sometimes, and it's not a feeling I'd wish on anyone, or judge anyone wishing to resolve it.

I too suffered from it, from time to time, I wish I wasn't so handsome

:laugh:
 
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OK that's the source of the person you are parroting, where is the source of data?

Off you go and find it now. Many countries and clinicians mentioned

You claim to be highly educated and research specialist :okay:
 

monkers

Legendary Member
Off you go and find it now. Many countries and clinicians mentioned

You claim to be highly educated and research specialist :okay:

I do not claim to be highly educated. I just think you sound thick. I do not claim to be a research specialist, I just find stuff on google within a few seconds that proves that you are just talking conspiracy theory nonsense - not that you are alone on the internet, there are all kinds of fruitloops.

Do you have the data or not?
 

icowden

Legendary Member
Thank you for this. I'm pleased to see you acknowledging that risks are balanced on a benefit to risk basis rather than being guaranteed risk free. This also strongly suggests that the claim of zero research made by another poster is incorrect.
No - that's from the risk page about giving it to biological women. There has been research on giving it to biological women in small doses, not to biological men in large doses.
 
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I do not claim to be highly educated. I just think you sound thick. I do not claim to be a research specialist, I just find stuff on google within a few seconds that proves that you are just talking conspiracy theory nonsense - not that you are alone on the internet, there are all kinds of fruitloops.

Do you have the data or not?

I'm pointing you to the psychiatrist who is a specialist in the field children mental health

Dr Miriam Grossman

I'm sure you can find her research on Google in a few seconds.

Disprove her position
 

monkers

Legendary Member
No - that's from the risk page about giving it to biological women. There has been research on giving it to biological women in small doses, not to biological men in large doses.

Well Ok that's a fair point. However the case studies that do exist relate to long-term use for gastric use. The NHS on the other hand say that it is fine for short term use for milk induction. The NHS sound confident that this low level transference to a healthy infant in not problematic.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
I'm pointing you to the psychiatrist who is a specialist in the field children mental health

Dr Miriam Grossman

I'm sure you can find her research on Google in a few seconds.

Disprove her position

I don't have to. You see this is not how debate/discussion works. If you claim something, then the onus is on you to back it up.

If you don't have the data to back up what you say, that's fine, I can just carry on considering you an idiot.
 
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