Gender again. Sorry!

[AndyRM]

Not sure what you are on about.


Again. It's simple. If you are a man who is attracted solely to men = Gay. Woman attracted to woman = Lesbian. Attracted to both = Bisexual. Queer? Same as Bi. Trans - about dysphoria not sexual attraction. Intersex - genetic condition not about sexual attraction, etc. Not attracted to anyone = celibate.

No one has ever been repressed because they were celibate. The history of the LGB alliance was about fighting laws that made it illegal to love people who you were attracted to. I have never said that I dislike anyone. In fact I have said a couple of times that I have no issue with people being trans, or with people being made more comfortable to live the way that they would like to live. I don't think anyone has an issue with that.

The issues tend to be where one very small minority group starts to stamp over the hard won rights of another group. Where that minority can be subverted or used by people for their own ends - e.g. gain access to women's spaces that they should not have access to by pretending to be trans. And finally the issue of using surgery and medication on people to satisfy their mental image rather than working with them to accept who they are.


I don't think I suggested that.

Without getting into the rest of it, queer isn't the same as bi.

 

[Deleted member 121]

And finally the issue of using surgery and medication on people to satisfy their mental image rather than working with them to accept who they are.

We established some time ago that you are some kind of receptionist at the NHS so from that I conclude you are not a trained mental health professional. We really can dismiss this comment as one made by the rantings of an armchair captain, similar to that of former Tory Minister Rachel McLean who said "bad nerves" is not a reason to claim benefits. Like it ever was. I put you on par with imbeciles like that who know fück all about mental health yet fück people up over it...

 

[AndyRM]

We established some time ago that you are some kind of receptionist at the NHS so from that I conclude you are not a trained mental health professional. We really can dismiss this comment as one made by the rantings of an armchair captain, similar to that of former Tory Minister Rachel McLean who said "bad nerves" is not a reason to claim benefits. Like it ever was. I put you on par with imbeciles like that who know fück all about mental health yet fück people up over it...

This is an interesting point. I've dealt with mental health "professionals" in various ways and for a variety of reasons over the years.

If you've got anything about you (and unfortunately a lot of people don't) you can spot the ones who've learned it from a book a mile off.

 

[monkers]

Not sure what you are on about.


Again. It's simple. If you are a man who is attracted solely to men = Gay. Woman attracted to woman = Lesbian. Attracted to both = Bisexual. Queer? Same as Bi. Trans - about dysphoria not sexual attraction. Intersex - genetic condition not about sexual attraction, etc. Not attracted to anyone = celibate.

No one has ever been repressed because they were celibate. The history of the LGB alliance was about fighting laws that made it illegal to love people who you were attracted to. I have never said that I dislike anyone. In fact I have said a couple of times that I have no issue with people being trans, or with people being made more comfortable to live the way that they would like to live. I don't think anyone has an issue with that.

The issues tend to be where one very small minority group starts to stamp over the hard won rights of another group. Where that minority can be subverted or used by people for their own ends - e.g. gain access to women's spaces that they should not have access to by pretending to be trans. And finally the issue of using surgery and medication on people to satisfy their mental image rather than working with them to accept who they are.


I don't think I suggested that.

What I was 'on about' is this obvious annoyance you have with the LGBTiQ abbreviation. The reason for the grouping is that as a community many of us hang out together, not because we are all the same, we are not, but we feel each other's pain. We are variously misunderstood, discriminated against societally, not recognised by the state, and worse still persecuted by the state. Another reason is our intersectionality within those groups. For this reason it has become fashionable again among some to say 'the queer community'. Others of us are reticent to use the term because we are old enough to remember the bad old days of 'queer bashing', or otherwise because we don't recognise minority status as abnormality.

'Celibacy' is not the state of not being sexually or romantically attracted to anyone, it is the personal choice of not having sex with anyone - often for reasons to do with religious conviction.

If you want an acronym rather than an abbreviation, then QUILTBAG is the nearest available, but again it doesn't suit all tastes. The 'A' within that is for 'asexual' which is the term for not being sexually attracted to others.

As for the point that there are minority groups starting to ride roughshod over the rights of others. This is poor reasoning. In the first place, trans rights were in place in the 1990s. The 2004 Act cemented trans rights for people with a GRC. These rights have been eroded since 2010 with some dilution of rights within the EqA. Further rights have been lost piecemeal. The worst of these has been the loss of rights to trans healthcare. This is more to do with political failure. Trans healthcare service have been so poorly resourced that today they are all but non-existent in the UK on the NHS.

There has been a demand for self-declaration. You might say this is trans activism making demands, but you'd be wrong. The demand for self-declaration came from two all party select committee recommendations that recognised that the failure to provide trans healthcare as promised by the GRA has not been met. In order to meet the present level of demand, the only alternative was to adopt self Id as adopted in an increasing number of countries with success.

Each day, the alarmists are still claiming that women prisoners have to shower with rapists each day at great risk to their personal safety. This of course is bollocks. There are no rapists in women's prisons. The very small number of trans women prisoners in women's prisons are required to shower separately - it is a simple timetabling practice.

The most recent complaint about trans women prisoners that I have seen came from a woman prisoner with an unusual complaint. She was friends with a trans woman prisoner. She said that the women in the prison had no problems or issues with her. Another trans woman was admitted to the same prison. The two were then cell mates, and then romantic partners. The complaint was that the friend didn't want to play gooseberry to the two of them, and didn't like to witness their obvious affection for each other. That's not a rights issue; that's just life.

 

[icowden]

We established some time ago that you are some kind of receptionist at the NHS so from that I conclude you are not a trained mental health professional.

No we didn't. Although apparently we have identified that you are the sort of patronising moron who thinks that receptionists are stupid. Good luck in getting an appointment with that attitude.

 

[Deleted member 121]

No we didn't. Although apparently we have identified that you are the sort of patronising moron who thinks that receptionists are stupid. Good luck in getting an appointment with that attitude.

You forgot to put the fire out on top of your head before writing that comment. I never called receptionists stupid. I said you are not a qualified mental health professional. Although you are making a strong case that some might be stupid.

 

[icowden]

What I was 'on about' is this obvious annoyance you have with the LGBTiQ abbreviation. The reason for the grouping is that as a community many of us hang out together, not because we are all the same, we are not, but we feel each other's pain. We are variously misunderstood, discriminated against societally, not recognised by the state, and worse still persecuted by the state. Another reason is our intersectionality within those groups. For this reason it has become fashionable again among some to say 'the queer community'. Others of us are reticent to use the term because we are old enough to remember the bad old days of 'queer bashing', or otherwise because we don't recognise minority status as abnormality.

I still don't see how someone asexual is persecuted or not recognised by the state. People who are intersex have a genetic condition and again are not persecuted or somehow not recognised. As far as I can see queer / questioning is no different to bisexual. As for pansexual - see bisexual.

There does seem to be a division however in that people like James Dreyfuss feel that what he terms the "alphabet soup" has hitched to LGB despite having nothing to do with same sex attraction, and created a huge backlash through revisionism, extremist activism, indoctrination and being anti-women together with attempts to silence and control people.

View: https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1752406590768972029

 

[icowden]

You forgot to put the fire out on top of your head before writing that comment. I never called receptionists stupid. I said you are not a qualified mental health professional. Although you are making a strong case that some might be stupid.

Sorry I assumed you were referring to me as a receptionist as a putdown, rather than because you were woefully uninformed.

 

[monkers]

I still don't see how someone asexual is persecuted or not recognised by the state. People who are intersex have a genetic condition and again are not persecuted or somehow not recognised. As far as I can see queer / questioning is no different to bisexual. As for pansexual - see bisexual.

The word 'variously' in my sentence was the key to understanding. It doesn't seem that you even tried.

As far as you can see? It really isn't that far or wide.

'Extremist' - chuckle. You are Michael Gove and I claim my five pounds.

 

[Deleted member 121]

Sorry I assumed you were referring to me as a receptionist as a putdown, rather than because you were woefully uninformed.

Naa. Your secret high IQ is safe with me.

 

[AndyRM]

I still don't see how someone asexual is persecuted or not recognised by the state. People who are intersex have a genetic condition and again are not persecuted or somehow not recognised. As far as I can see queer / questioning is no different to bisexual. As for pansexual - see bisexual.

There does seem to be a division however in that people like James Dreyfuss feel that what he terms the "alphabet soup" has hitched to LGB despite having nothing to do with same sex attraction, and created a huge backlash through revisionism, extremist activism, indoctrination and being anti-women together with attempts to silence and control people.

View: https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1752406590768972029

Again, without getting into the rest of it, pansexual is not the same as bisexual.

 

[AuroraSaab]

...... I conclude you are not a trained mental health professional. We really can dismiss this comment as one made by the rantings of an armchair captain ......

Well we're all armchair captains on here really, aren't we? Funny though that when the experts who really aren't armchair captains but academics and professionals assess the evidence and ban puberty blockers they are also dismissed as knowing f all.

 

[monkers]

Why there needs to be a T in LGBT.

Writer Armistead Maupin talks about transphobia in the UK and US, and why he's using his voice to stand up for trans rights.


View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1768334568187179215

 

[monkers]

Well we're all armchair captains on here really, aren't we? Funny though that when the experts who really aren't armchair captains but academics and professionals assess the evidence and ban puberty blockers they are also dismissed as knowing f all.

Well there are those of us who just want to leave people alone to live their best lives. Then there's those who want to remove the human rights of others for no good reason at all, though they are prepared to waste their own lives sitting indoors at a keyboard all day without a well-reasoned argument. People claiming to be 'following the science' while not having the first idea of the universal scientific method.

When people like myself, who have lived the life, have something to say, we are shouted down. Your own favourite AS is to say, and to paraphrase, nobody is interested in your personal anecdotes. What this means is that the truth doesn't matter when it doesn't fit the anti-trans ideology.

The scientific evidence on puberty blockers doesn't even say what you think it says - that much is very clear.

 

[icowden]

Naa. Your secret high IQ is safe with me.

It's not secret. I'm top 1% but my membership lapsed...

FWIW, I have led many lives, but you do learn quite a lot about different medical disciplines from working as a Medical PA for 15 years or so, and then even more from working with all disciplines to analyse and migrate their data between different medical systems for the next 12 years or so. Therefore I like to think I have learned a fair bit about health in the last 30 years.

I'm not sure where this bizarre notion comes from that you can only understand or have knowledge about a subject if you have a qualification in it.