Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

Perhaps they are in a jar somewhere. I guess we'll never know. I'm always amused that you think I will be upset by being wrongly sexed though.

I was hoping with a little humour to draw your attention to the fact that not all females identify as women. Just to remind you, in saying that you have no gender identity, you are technically not a woman. It was ironic and unfortunate that you chose a writing style that suggested that you consider me to seem less of a woman than you.

 

[Deleted member 121]

Well we're all armchair captains on here really, aren't we? Funny though that when the experts who really aren't armchair captains but academics and professionals assess the evidence and ban puberty blockers they are also dismissed as knowing f all.

Well, I'm pretty sensitive on the subject of mental health and people claiming to have solutions owing to personal experience in the late 90s, not gender related. I had all sorts of armchair captains like icow surrounding me then i can assure you. I'm not sure how many mental health experts were involved in the decision on puberty blockers but it is quite politicised and there is no denying that.

 

[AndyRM]

Riley Gaines is lead litigant in a group of athletes suing the NCAA and university of Georgia USA for not implementing title IX.

Riley Gaines is a Republican and anti trans plant.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Caitlin Jenner on trans in women's sport
https://archive.ph/2024.03.15-12413...trans-athletes-sharron-davies-caitlyn-jenner/

 

[AuroraSaab]

I was hoping with a little humour to draw your attention to the fact that not all females identify as women.

As your sex is an embodied experience, not a feeling in your head, how they identify doesn't affect whether they are female or not.

Just to remind you, in saying that you have no gender identity, you are technically not a woman.

This makes no sense. What I think or say about gender identity makes zero difference to whether I am a woman or not. Because one is a subjective thought, the other is objective material reality.

It was ironic and unfortunate that you chose a writing style that suggested that you consider me to seem less of a woman than you.

If your birth sex is female and you're an adult, you're a woman. There are no subsets or 'less of's' of women. Born female, now an adult. That's it. There's no 'less of', it's either you are or you aren't.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Caitlin Jenner on trans in women's sport
https://archive.ph/2024.03.15-12413...trans-athletes-sharron-davies-caitlyn-jenner/

Thanks for that, I hadn't seen it. Jenner has always acknowledged male advantage but I hadn't heard their views on childhood transition before. Nice to see a sensible discussion.

 

[qigong chimp]

Because one is a subjective thought, the other is objective material reality.

...to the last syllable of recorded time.


Bright water shimmers like crystal,
Translucent to the furthest depth.
Mind is free of every thought
Unmoved by the myriad things.
Since it can never be stirred
It will always stay like this.
Knowing, this way, you can see,
There is no within, no without.

Han Shan

 

[monkers]

f your birth sex is female and you're an adult, you're a woman. There are no subsets or 'less of's' of women. Born female, now an adult. That's it. There's no 'less of', it's either you are or you aren't.

True logic flows thus; if you were born female, and you grow and go on to be congruent female, then you are an adult female who also happens to be a woman.

Without a sense of gender identity you are neither man or woman.

Just using reductionism as a tool to simplify does not undo complexity, it just helps those with the inability to understand the more complex in a rudimentary way.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Without a sense of gender identity you are neither man or woman.

People in comas have no sex? Newborns have no sex? Stoneage people had no sex? This is just bonkers. 'Woman' isn't an identity that anybody can wear like a costume. It's your sex. It doesn't just come into existence when you become aware of it as an intellectual idea.

You try to reduce it to that so that men can be it. They can't.

 

[monkers]

People in comas have no sex? Newborns have no sex? Stoneage people had no sex? This is just bonkers. 'Woman' isn't an identity that anybody can wear like a costume. It's your sex. It doesn't just come into existence when you become aware of it as an intellectual idea.

You try to reduce it to that so that men can be it. They can't.

So you will say as it suits your ideology of exclusion. But to my mind, you are not a woman - an adult female, but not a woman, since in your own words you have no sense of your gender. If you wish to be just what you see in the mirror, that's fine, but some of us are more sentient beings, with a sense of who we are beyond a working knowledge of genitals.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Again this is just metaphysical non scientific beliefs presented as something profound in order to allow men to say they are women.

99% of women in the world aren't women by your definition.

 

[monkers]

Again this is just metaphysical non scientific beliefs presented as something profound in order to allow men to say they are women.

99% of women in the world aren't women by your definition.

Cool stats - pure invention of course.

No it allows adult female human beings to say they are either men, women or neither; and adult male human beings to say they are men, women or neither.

Still look on the bright side, The EqA provides freedom from discrimination for people like you under the protections of sex and gender reassignment. Cool huh?

 

[multitool]

https://x.com/GeauxGabrielle/status/1768720888457793628?s=20

Haven't seen many images of what is going on here in Aurora's personal library.

Seems a bit weird to obsess over a hypothetical danger to women rather than a real one. Almost as if it's not really women's safety that bothers her.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Cool stats - pure invention of course.

Hardly. I'd be surprised if most of the huge population of China subscribed to the theory of the existence of gender identity, though of course it's you making the assertion so it's you who needs to provide your evidence that 600 million Chinese women are only women if they think they are.

No it allows adult female human beings to say they are either men, women or neither; and adult male human beings to say they are men, women or neither.

You're allowed to say the earth is flat too but it doesn't make it so.

Still look on the bright side, The EqA provides freedom from discrimination for people like you under the protections of sex and gender reassignment. Cool huh?

The EA pretty much protects us all, as it should. Some of us fall into more protected characteristic categories than others, of course.

 

[AuroraSaab]

https://x.com/GeauxGabrielle/status/1768720888457793628?s=20

Haven't seen many images of what is going on here in Aurora's personal library.

Seems a bit weird to obsess over a hypothetical danger to women rather than a real one. Almost as if it's not really women's safety that bothers her.

Only the dimmest amongst us would think that feminists wouldn't be against all male violence in women's prisons, whether it came from male staff or male prisoners placed there.

As usual, you struggle with the idea that women can think about 2 things at once or that people are allowed to advocate for their specific areas of interest. Women are not obliged to solve the world's problems in the specific order that you demand.