Gender again. Sorry!

[Deleted member 121]

I blame farmers and Liberal Democrat voters.

 

[multitool]

@AS

Yeah, imaginary hordes of abusing men dressed as women.

Only here on Terf Island, funnily enough.

 

[AuroraSaab]

They wouldn't need to dress as women. They wouldn't need to be genuinely suffering from body dysphoria. They'd just need to say 'I'm a woman'.

Any male could be in any women's single sex space because you've in effect made them unisex. They don't need to be actively committing abuse to make women uncomfortable or feel vulnerable either.

 

[multitool]

Yeah hordes of them.

It's a real problem.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Is there a particular number of avoidable incidents at which point women and girls are then allowed their own spaces?

 

[AndyRM]

That's a bit of a misleading chart I reckon: a complaint isn't necessarily an attack.

 

[Deleted member 121]

Also Unisex means people like gbnews Andy could walk in with his overbearing scent of brut which in itself should be a criminal offence.

 

[classic33]

Is there a particular number of avoidable incidents at which point women and girls are then allowed their own spaces?

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Where does it say that the "attack" was done by a trans women, or a man for that matter.
How many were older women on girls?
Has the number of reports gone up or down in those establishments since 2017/18?

 

[icowden]

Yeah, imaginary hordes of abusing men dressed as women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-65549530
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-two-women-remanded-in-female-prison-scotland
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=1974562
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/tran...y-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/
https://www.womenarehuman.com/2nd-g...nsgender-fellow-student-furious-dad-arrested/

Karen White, a child abuser who dressed as a woman but was still legally a man, was jailed for life in 2018 for sexually assaulting two prisoners at HMP New Hall and the rape of a woman while he was outside jail.

It doesn't have to be hordes for there to be a problem that has been created.

Information presented to select committee which supports that the incidence of violent offences by transwomen is far higher than that of biological women.

1. The Swedish Study Cecilia Dhejne, Paul Lichtenstein, Marcus Boman, Anna L. V. Johansson, Niklas Långström, Mikael Landén (2011) Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885... MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending. The group examined were those who committed to surgery, and so were more tightly defined than a population based solely on self-declaration.

MOJ stats show 76 of the 129 male-born prisoners identifying as transgender (not counting any with GRCs) have at least 1 conviction of sexual offence. This includes 36 convictions for rape and 10 for attempted rape. These are clearly male type crimes (rape is defined as penetration with a penis)

 

[AuroraSaab]

That's a bit of a misleading chart I reckon: a complaint isn't necessarily an attack.

It does say 'sex attack'. How many more incidents of a more minor nature were never reported by girls or women? How many women and girls just self excluded afterwards rather than use unisex facilities again? Women and girls don't report every incident of indecent exposure or dodgy behaviour. Perhaps because people dismiss or try to minimise it ....

Either way, it's not really unexpected that there would be more 'complaints' or 'attacks' once men have access to spaces where women and girls are getting undressed, is it? It's partly why those single sex spaces were made in the first place


This data is just council leisure centres and swimming pools btw.

 

[icowden]

Where does it say that the "attack" was done by a trans women, or a man for that matter.

That question is irrelevant m'lud. The point raised is that 90%of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex facilities. Of these, sexual attacks made up 67 per cent.

That they did not happen in gendered facilities would suggest that this is women complaining about men rather than vice versa.

How many were older women on girls?

That statistic is not available m'lud but if we assume the normal offending patterns of men vs women, the vast majority will be males. Note that in gendered facilities the number of complaints is vastly reduced.

Has the number of reports gone up or down in those establishments since 2017/18?

Again, not relevant to the point being made m'lud. The independent also reported on the Times article.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...g-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

 

[AuroraSaab]

Where does it say that the "attack" was done by a trans women, or a man for that matter.
How many were older women on girls?
Has the number of reports gone up or down in those establishments since 2017/18?

Is older girls assaulting younger ones likely to be responsible for the huge increase in 'complaints' once single sex facilities become open to men? Given that they were already in the same changing rooms previously.

Or is there a more obvious reason for the increase staring you in the face?

The lengths you lads will go to to minimise or explain away the massively unequal extent of male offending against women is really something.

 

[Deleted member 121]

That question is irrelevant m'lud. The point raised is that 90%of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism or harassment reported at leisure centres and public swimming pools took place in unisex facilities. Of these, sexual attacks made up 67 per cent.

That they did not happen in gendered facilities would suggest that this is women complaining about men rather than vice versa.


That statistic is not available m'lud but if we assume the normal offending patterns of men vs women, the vast majority will be males. Note that in gendered facilities the number of complaints is vastly reduced.


Again, not relevant to the point being made m'lud. The independent also reported on the Times article.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...g-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

This summary is more bent than Crocodile Dundee's boomerang...

Statistics not available...

Suggests this and that...

Assume this and that...

Not relevant...

 

[AndyRM]

It does say 'sex attack'. How many more incidents of a more minor nature were never reported by girls or women? How many women and girls just self excluded afterwards rather than use unisex facilities again? Women and girls don't report every incident of indecent exposure or dodgy behaviour. Perhaps because people dismiss or try to minimise it ....

Either way, it's not really unexpected that there would be more 'complaints' or 'attacks' once men have access to spaces where women and girls are getting undressed, is it? It's partly why those single sex spaces were made in the first place


This data is just council leisure centres and swimming pools btw.

I'm neither trying to dismiss or minimise it, I'm more interested in what actually happened, not out of some perverse kind of curiosity, but to me it seems that there's a disconnect between the language of a "complaint" and an "attack".

 

[icowden]

Statistics not available...

Sorry - I don't have a subscription to the Times. The details of the research I believe can be found there. Feel free to share if you have a subscription.

Suggests this and that...

Assume this and that...

Not relevant...

Copy and pasting random words is helpful how? Do you have any evidence to suggest that it is women perpetrating these sexual assaults? If not we have to work with an assumption, and based on reality, we can comfortably assume that as women are not perving on women in single gender changing rooms that either it's men perving on women or women perving on men. Which do you think, given your life experience, is the more likely scenario?