Gender again. Sorry!
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AuroraSaab
Squire
The Times article is pay walled but The Independent has a brief summary:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...g-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html
"Just under 90 per cent of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism and harassment are about incidents in unisex facilities. What’s more, two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms.
Of 134 complaints over 2017-2018, 120 reported incidents took place in gender-neutral changing rooms and just 14 were in single-sex changing areas.
In a further 46 cases, sexual assault allegations were made about attacks in other areas such as in the pool, in a sports hall or corridors."
Of the 14 that were in single sex changing areas, would anybody like to make a bet on whether these were mostly girls/women complaining about other females, or mostly boys/men complaining about men?
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...g-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html
"Just under 90 per cent of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism and harassment are about incidents in unisex facilities. What’s more, two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms.
Of 134 complaints over 2017-2018, 120 reported incidents took place in gender-neutral changing rooms and just 14 were in single-sex changing areas.
In a further 46 cases, sexual assault allegations were made about attacks in other areas such as in the pool, in a sports hall or corridors."
Of the 14 that were in single sex changing areas, would anybody like to make a bet on whether these were mostly girls/women complaining about other females, or mostly boys/men complaining about men?
icowden
Squire
Why?
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Deleted member 121
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In my life experience I tend not to frequent public toilets and changing rooms, perhaps you do with all your assumptions?
I'm calling out your vague and far too padded out and open responses leading to dead ends...
We don't need to work with assumptions, that is a choice and a choice made on purpose.
I don't do news subscriptions. I value open source sources.
AuroraSaab
Squire
At the moment any man in a women's spaces stands out and can be asked to be removed. Once that convention is outlawed - which is what you apparently want - then there will be no avenue of complaint for women who for example don't want to undress around men.
They wouldn't need to dress up, though if you imagine certain kinds of men won't dress up in order to enter women's spaces for dodgy reasons you are being naive. There is a whole subset of porn based on such men filming and taking photos in women's changing rooms, toilets etc.
Dressed as women or dressed as men, they are still men btw. They are excluded from women's vulnerable spaces for being men not for being transgender.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Well then it's obvious. We need separate pools, sports halls and corridors for everyone!
I don't actually believe that, because it's ridiculous.
Considering the article also points out that less than half of changing facilities in the UK are gender neutral it would suggest that most (if not all) places where changing is required have single sex spaces available.
I don't actually believe that, because it's ridiculous.
Considering the article also points out that less than half of changing facilities in the UK are gender neutral it would suggest that most (if not all) places where changing is required have single sex spaces available.
Bromptonaut
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multitool
Pharaoh
You are claiming men will pretend to be women in order to enter women's space to attack them.
Of this is true then it would be happening all over, because there is nothing to prevent trans women entering women's spaces now.
multitool
Pharaoh
Yes, they can.
But that wouldn't stop a determined perv entering in the first place.
As it stands the only reports I'm hearing of assaults in toilets and changing rooms are of people like you harassing masculine women.
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AuroraSaab
Squire
The solution to that isn't to make it easier for the currently less determined ones.
I've never seen a woman confronted in a single sex space for not looking stereotypically feminine. I'm not sure how you think legally allowing actual masculine people in will improve that though.
farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
This has happened to me - bullied in changing rooms as a teenager for wearing a vest not a bra, amongst other things. That's not reason to object to women's spaces though.
Incidentally I've also been publicly assaulted while being called a 'batty-man'.
Hence my strong belief that sexual stereotyping is the root problem. While being, I hope, open-minded about anyone's wish to look as they please, I am concerned that transgender politics takes it as a given that there are fundamental psychological differences between women and men, and also that expression of gender by costume is of the essense.
multitool
Pharaoh
This is just such pure bollocks.
Trans women have been using womens spaces forever. It only became a 'problem' recently, when funnily enough the hard right started to exploit trans people as a wedge issue. Sucked you right in. With ease.
This stuff from you and icow about imposter trans people is bad faith nonsense and you know it.
This is why you have to rely on hypotheticals and apriori arguments, because empirically what you say is just bah.
Ah, I forgot. If Aurora hasn't seen it, it doesn't happen.
Thanks for reminding us.
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There weren't any twenty years ago. They were weirdos and tranvestites.
Ah, I forgot. If Andy hasn't seen it, it didn't happen.
