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It's my usual demonstration that much of what you say relies on misinformation and mischaracterisation.

Nobody thinks that Karen White was placed in the correct prison, least of all trans women. Group 4 failed to risk assess White and later apologised for their failure. Bryson was never committed to the female prison estate. The Fallon Fox story was founded on lies. The meme with Fox alongside a battered contestant was fake. Fox never fought that woman, she was battered by a bio woman. I've never said that trans women should compete against elite women in elite level sport, but your usual nonsense of trying to deny trans women access to playing chess, running in park run, and accusing them of cheating in Strava segments is just blatant stupidity.

You say all this but have spent half the thread posting dodgy articles, science, and stats that do support the case for men being in women's prisons and elite sport. So I find your claims that you don't support it rather unbelievable.
 
And since the toilet issue has been raised I don't think there is an issue with trans people using any specific toilets. Anyway I think there is a simple way to make things easier for everyone - providing more private cubicles in more gender neutral toilets.
It's not really about toilets at all. Proponents of gender identity have to reduce it being about toilets because once you point it can also mean men in women's domestic violence refuges or disabled women not being able to specify a female carer, then people start saying WTF??!!
Much easier to shout Bigoted Toilet Nazi!! and pretend there aren't bigger issues.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Given up on any arguments whatsoever now, I see. Is it only seven? I'm sure you could find a few more members that have quit because of me if you put your mind to it. You can even put it in capitals if you like.

Hilarious that you try and make the seven people leaving something to do with me. It isn't. I'm just documenting it. It is fact-based, unlike your risible attempt to ascribe anyone leaving to me.

As for me "knowing" nothing. No, I don't spend my time learning and rehearsing TERF attack lines.

I did however read the interim Cass report, and one of the reasons for closing the Tavistock was it's inability to provide adequate care because it was not well-resourced enough, and the recommendation was to expand the service on a regional basis.

Have I read the final Cass report? No. It's very long, and unlike you I'm not an obsessed zealot. If I am bored enough at some point and have a few hours to kill I will read it.

Unlike you, I have refrained from commenting on it because, like you, I haven't read it and I'm not willing to accept anybody else's interpretation of it. I know you go to Terf Cult HQ to get your orders.

I prefer to maintain a free and open mind.
 
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I did however read the interim Cass report, and one of the reasons for closing the Tavistock was it's inability to provide adequate care because it was not well-resourced enough, and the recommendation was to expand the service on a regional basis.
No, it didn't. It recommended a complete change from the Tavistock model and a move to a holistic care model, not a better resourced more-of-the-same. They have closed it and made the head of GIDS redundant which hardly suggests confidence.

Have I read the final Cass report? No. It's very long, and unlike you I'm not an obsessed zealot. If I am bored enough at some point and have a few hours to kill I will read it.

Unlike you, I have refrained from commenting on it because, like you, I haven't read it and I'm not willing to accept anybody else's interpretation of it. I know you go to Terf HQ to get your orders.
No idea why you think I haven't read it by now. I do think it's worth hearing other experts opinions on it though, as long as they aren't people with vested interests in putting kids on puberty blockers and a medicalised pathway.

Where is Terf HQ exactly? Presumably it was built with all that money from right wing US evangelicals you talk about. Is it JK Rowling's house? That would be cool.

I prefer to maintain a free and open mind.

There's literally nothing that gives you pause for thought. Not medicalised kids, not men in women's sports or prisons. Literally no demand of transactivism goes opposed by you so I'm going to take that statement with a large pinch of salt.
 

farfromtheland

Regular AND Goofy
Maybe because it's relevant to the current state. Folk all over are questioning, fighting back against the trans ideology.

And the right wing wins both ways - first a wedge driven between trans people and radical feminists based on extreme trending divisions stoked by inflammatory social media culture and provocateurs, then the trans people who were encouraged thus get hit by the backlash. We all lose, lose if we can't find middle ground.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
You say all this but have spent half the thread posting dodgy articles, science, and stats that do support the case for men being in women's prisons and elite sport. So I find your claims that you don't support it rather unbelievable.

Wrong. I post stuff that tackles your ongoing lies. This is not the same as supporting a position either way - but you are too farking thick to realise the difference.
 
It's not really about toilets at all. Proponents of gender identity have to reduce it being about toilets because once you point it can also mean men in women's domestic violence refuges or disabled women not being able to specify a female carer, then people start saying WTF??!!
Much easier to shout Bigoted Toilet Nazi!! and pretend there aren't bigger issues.
So why were you the first one to bring them in to support any argument made, by yourself, in any thread where you've mentioned trans women?
 
No, it didn't. It recommended a complete change from the Tavistock model and a move to a holistic care model, not a better resourced more-of-the-same. They have closed it and made the head of GIDS redundant which hardly suggests confidence.


No idea why you think I haven't read it by now. I do think it's worth hearing other experts opinions on it though, as long as they aren't people with vested interests in putting kids on puberty blockers and a medicalised pathway.

Where is Terf HQ exactly? Presumably it was built with all that money from right wing US evangelicals you talk about. Is it JK Rowling's house? That would be cool.



There's literally nothing that gives you pause for thought. Not medicalised kids, not men in women's sports or prisons. Literally no demand of transactivism goes opposed by you so I'm going to take that statement with a large pinch of salt.
The one in Leeds is still showing as open. Opens at 9:30 this morning in fact.
 
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The one in Leeds is still showing as open. Opens at 9:30 this morning in fact.

Waiting list before Cass demolished the ideology was 3-4 years. The reviews slating this unit, stated waiting 6 years.

No bad thing to delay irreversible process.
 
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