AndyRM
Elder Goth
Ah, "women's work" is it?
Gender again. Sorry!
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Ah, "women's work" is it?
AndyRM
Elder Goth
You're aware that all kids are impressionable, right?
They buy into bullsh!t from all sides.
Hopefully their mums keep them right. Like I'm sure Saint Jasmine of the Ill Informed will do as she indoctrinates them into the silent majority's way of thinking.
It's funny though, for a silent majority to be so vocal, isn't it?
monkers
Legendary Member
N again.
Keegan is incorrect. One might question her competence to hold the office that she does.
Parliamentary Briefing Paper sets out the correct position.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9078/CBP-9078.pdf
As I have attempted to explain, guidance can be declared statutory where a previous act passed by parliament explicitly permits others to exercise duties on their behalf. I am not aware that such permission exists. Indeed other parliamentary documents seem to demonstrate this not to be the case. Attempts by the executive to grab powers are not recently unusual.
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AuroraSaab
Squire
It's statutory. That you think it shouldn't be doesn't mean that it isn't.
I haven't read the whole thing yet, but this bit seems sensible.
The whole thing is a result of schools outsourcing their teaching to outside agencies, some of whom have an agenda. The same thing would result if schools paid evangelical Christians to teach their RE or Biology syllabus or paid certain groups to teach their History modules on slavery or WW2.
It's sensible to have guidelines that prevent this kind of bias, that bases information on science not ideology, and that doesn't fill kids heads with things like there are more than 2 sexes and 200 genders.
I haven't read the whole thing yet, but this bit seems sensible.
The whole thing is a result of schools outsourcing their teaching to outside agencies, some of whom have an agenda. The same thing would result if schools paid evangelical Christians to teach their RE or Biology syllabus or paid certain groups to teach their History modules on slavery or WW2.
It's sensible to have guidelines that prevent this kind of bias, that bases information on science not ideology, and that doesn't fill kids heads with things like there are more than 2 sexes and 200 genders.
monkers
Legendary Member
N clearly stated that the parliamentary briefing paper shows that it has not been considered statutory since 2020 which was the claim. There would have been a change in the legislations to facilitate this prior to 2020, but lawyers have so far been unable to identify it.
N also says that the statutory label is in her opinion questionable as a precedent.
N gave no opinion of what she thought of the content of the guidance, but 'magical thinking' (one of your favourite terms) has allowed you to create a false narrative - and not for the first time.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
All religious teaching is based on ideology not information which fills kids heads with all kinds of nonsense.
AuroraSaab
Squire
The difference is RE teaching in lessons in schools is taught as 'This is what Muslims/Hindus/Christians believe', not as 'This is what actually happened/this is true'.
You could argue that religious schools promote their faith as true as a general principle, but in lessons it's not usually presented as an empirical truth. Not anymore anyway. If it's not right to present opinion as truth in RE it's not right to do it in PHSE etc., is it?
You could argue that religious schools promote their faith as true as a general principle, but in lessons it's not usually presented as an empirical truth. Not anymore anyway. If it's not right to present opinion as truth in RE it's not right to do it in PHSE etc., is it?
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monkers
Legendary Member
Schools were already using the guidance provided under a Conservative government. The changes are due to the ideology of certain members of the present executive. Previous guidance has always been deemed non-statutory since there was no underpinning legal act.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Equally "This is what actually happened/this is true" isn't being forced upon kids any more than long division is.
monkers
Legendary Member
As a former school head, I am less familiar with the legal arguments and precedents concerning statutory and non-statutory guidance. However I am familiar with the guidance documents that were sent to me.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statutory-guidance-schools#:~:text=Statutory guidance sets out what,you must follow without exception.
For Keegan to say that the guidance (as in its entirety) would need to be seen as statutory, it will need to be in context with existing law.
Where are the precepts of the new guidance cemented in law???
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statutory-guidance-schools#:~:text=Statutory guidance sets out what,you must follow without exception.
For Keegan to say that the guidance (as in its entirety) would need to be seen as statutory, it will need to be in context with existing law.
Where are the precepts of the new guidance cemented in law???
monkers
Legendary Member
A pity she wasn't taught not to invent things people are supposed to have said. An active case of this 'magical thinking' just this morning.
monkers
Legendary Member
CXRAndy
Guru
According to the government website
The RHSE became statutory in 2020. This review clarifies updated curriculum from a panel of experts announced yesterday.
Do schools have to follow the guidance?
Following the consultation, the guidance will be statutory, which means schools must follow it unless there are exceptional circumstances
https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/20...t-means-for-sex-education-lessons-in-schools/
The RHSE became statutory in 2020. This review clarifies updated curriculum from a panel of experts announced yesterday.
Do schools have to follow the guidance?
Following the consultation, the guidance will be statutory, which means schools must follow it unless there are exceptional circumstances
When will schools start teaching this?
Schools will be able to use the guidance as soon as we publish the final version later this yearhttps://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/20...t-means-for-sex-education-lessons-in-schools/
monkers
Legendary Member
Can you not see how unworkable this is? Place yourself in the position of a teacher for a moment being questioned in front of the class by a curious child. Now imagine that workload. Each time you answer a 'sensitive' question you are required to record it and write to all parents. You can not wonder why teachers are so keen to leave the profession, and the reasons there are such teacher shortages.
At present unqualified people are delivering something like 20% of lessons in schools due to the teacher shortage. These demand will drive the teacher shortage and cause teaching assistants / cover supervisors to also leave. I have a cousin who has just resigned due to the latest situation in schools with a government fixated on trans kids and no care for ceilings falling on children's heads.
As for Keegan herself I am keen to know how she is qualified to make such decisions, or how she came to have the job.
Oh look, here's an interesting 'coincidence'.
Michael Keegan is a former Head of Fujitsu UK and Ireland, appointed in 2014. He later had a role as a crown representative to the Cabinet Office, managing cross-government relationships with BAE Systems as a strategic supplier to the Government.[43][44] In January 2024 he resigned from his part-time government role during a period of intense scrutiny into the role of Fujitsu and its Horizon software in the Post Office Scandal.
Marzipan dildos come to mind.
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