Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

What you can't deny though is that 'safe space' means a gossip chamber, and 'safe' means not overheard by men. Though to be fair, you haven't even attempted to defend the point.

I don't feel the need to address an argument so ridiculous as 'Women just gossip in toilets therefore you should allow men in'.

 

[Bromptonaut]

We agree. However according to common dramatic tropes and my own observations, ladies tend to go to the loo in groups and presumably therefore occupy the communal area for a longer period of time than the gents. Gents previously tended not to go into the ladies, but now there is a "safe" avenue for a gent to enter the ladies if dressed appropriately and to use the scaffolding of gender protection to justify their presence. This is the area that I believe some women are finding problematic.

This is the Badenoch trope; men using current law to facilitate predation.

Is there evidence of it actually happening still less of it happening and current laws not dealing with it.

 

[multitool]

It's at this point, when pressed for evidence of any of this confected bullshît happening that a certain someone clicks open her library of about 7 people out of 8 billion humans, none of whom live in UK, to tell us that its a real problem.

When this, inevitably, fails she will pivot to saying its about women's 'dignity' and why can't men accommodate TW, tying herself in the logical knot that if it is men responsible for sexual assaults then those men will not accept TW. It then allows her to claim that this just emphasises what a problem men are.

Aurora has never encountered*
a TW in a woman's space.

* and if she claims she has, it begs the question as to how she can have known without inspecting their genitalia or gametes.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

TW in women's space Toolzie?
Sorry, no toilet photos.

 

[multitool]

That's women's sport. It isn't a 'space'

I realise they start with the same two letters and that is very confusing.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

That's women's sport. It isn't a 'space'

I realise they start with the same two letters and that is very confusing.

Oh yeah, your right, silly me.

 

[monkers]

I don't feel the need to address an argument so ridiculous as 'Women just gossip in toilets therefore you should allow men in'.

Not all men obviously ... just the gangs of rapey ones and murdery ones like all my posts say (in your fevered imagination).

 

[multitool]

Oh yeah, your right, silly me.

It's 'you're.'

You're welcome.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It's at this point, when pressed for evidence of any of this confected bullshît happening that a certain someone clicks open her library of about 7 people out of 8 billion humans, none of whom live in UK, to tell us that its a real problem.

You repeatedly say 'Show me a country with self ID where it's caused a problem'. I give you examples and you say 'It's not the UK'.

When this, inevitably, fails she will pivot to saying its about women's 'dignity' and why can't men accommodate TW, tying herself in the logical knot that if it is men responsible for sexual assaults then those men will not accept TW.

I've never said it was just about safety. It's you guys who set the benchmark for what women should tolerate at sexual assault eg 'There are laws to deal with it afterwards if it happens'.

And you tie yourself in a knot here because if random men are dangerous to other men, random men of the tw variety are just as dangerous to women because there is no difference between the two.

In 900 pages of posts you have yet to prove why women should accept some certain special men in their spaces but not others.

 

[multitool]

Not all men obviously ... just the gangs of rapey ones and murdery ones like all my posts say (in your fevered imagination).

https://www.theguardian.com/society...anger-to-women-and-girls-in-england-and-wales

Millions of them according to Met chief.

(He doesn't mention trans women. Aurora you need to tell him that TW are the real threat. He doesn't know)

 

[multitool]

And you tie yourself in a knot here because if random men are dangerous to other men, random men of the tw variety are just as dangerous to women because there is no difference between the two.

Of course there is a difference. They aren't random men. They are abusers. So one of the groups are abusers, and the other are TW.

You try this category error fallacy crap all the time. I predicted you would in the post you quoted, but you snipped out the last line...

How typical of you. It's no wonder so many people have left the thread because of you. Unfortunately for you the rest of us aren't so easily bullied off.

 

[Deleted member 159]

That's women's sport. It isn't a 'space'

I realise they start with the same two letters and that is very confusing.

He changed in front of the women swim competition in the changing room. This was completely unannounced by the organisers, he just showed up

 

[monkers]

https://www.theguardian.com/society...anger-to-women-and-girls-in-england-and-wales

Millions of them according to Met chief.

(He doesn't mention trans women. Aurora you need to tell him that TW are the real threat. He doesn't know)

The rise of violence and sexual in this country is huge. Some say the problem is free and easy pornography. Some say it's gangs of Pakistani men. Some say it is incels. Some say it's caused by a contagion of trans people. Some simply blame the internet.

A more nuanced observation is that the country has been made angry - that's men and women. My observation is that it has happened under a government endlessly provoking division while simultaneously removing essential systems. More and more people face poverty or at least financial hardship. Fewer and fewer criminals are caught. The police are unable to cope, so are the judiciary, the probation service, mental health services, addiction services. Everything is broken, people are being made angry.

The numbers of incidents are huge, the scale is epic, the pattern is that women are safer on the streets than young men. Women are less safe in the home. I have a neighbour who is quarrelling with his wife currently. We all hear it, they take it outdoors sometimes. She has a drink problem and assaults him mostly, but when he loses it, he is the one the police come for. As a result he is out of work again.

She has apparently been hiding money from him for some time, even when he was unable to work.

And no Aurora I'm not saying that women are the perpetrators rather than men; nor is it a case of 'look what you made me do' as you tend to trivialise it. But it isn't a case of women always good, men always bad either.

We need a great reset, but undoing the mess looks an impossible task.

I eagerly await Aurora saying the three million out of the four million offenders are trans women, or men who think they might be.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Millions of them according to Met chief.
(He doesn't mention trans women. Aurora you need to tell him that TW are the real threat. He doesn't know)

As there's no difference in the rates of criminality between men who say they aren't men and other men, then I think we can assume he's including transwomen in his 'millions of men are a danger to women'.

Of course there is a difference. They aren't random men. They are abusers. So one of the groups are abusers, and the other are TW.

A man in a woman's single sex space is an unknown random man. It makes no sense to suggest random men are dangerous to tw but random men who identify as men aren't dangerous at all.

How typical of you. It's no wonder so many people have left the thread because of you. Unfortunately for you the rest of us aren't so easily bullied off.

Post or don't post. I would think everybody is past caring whether anybody posts or not.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I eagerly await Aurora saying the three million out of the four million offenders are trans women, or men who think they might be.

I will say what I always say. Trans women are men. There are no special subsets of men who should be treated differently from other men in terms of women's single sex spaces, sports, prisons, and so on.