Gender again. Sorry!

[icowden]

Meanwhile however, it is now known that since the block on puberty blockers was lifted by the High Court appeal in the year BC (before Cass), the NHS continued the block.
As a consequence there is evidence that 16 trans kids have taken their own lives in the last 3 years. Prior to this there had been 1 suicide in 7 years.

No. There is no evidence that this is consequential. Only a correlation.

Coroners had already writing to the relevant authorities with concern.

Concerns about accessing mental health services, not prescribing medication.

Puberty blockers have now been banned by the government using emergency powers after parliament was prorogued for the GE.

Only for private clinics for three months, and only for new patients wanting to use them for treatment for gender dysphoria for which the medications in question have not been safety tested.

 

[icowden]

If you don't wish to read them all, at least read the last one ...

I did. It says nothing about medication prescription and everything about access to Mental Health Services even though apparently Gender Dysphoria is not a mental health issue as you are born knowing that you are in the wrong body yada yada yada.

 

[monkers]

No. There is no evidence that this is consequential. Only a correlation.


Concerns about accessing mental health services, not prescribing medication.


Only for private clinics for three months, and only for new patients wanting to use them for treatment for gender dysphoria for which the medications in question have not been safety tested.

Sloping shoulders and handwringing.

When Coroners express such concerns, the chicken shoot excuses should end.

 

[AndyRM]

I think what he is getting at, is the correlation between the two groups in terms of dysmorphia and the consequences. If you cut off your genitals in a back street clinic you are looking at a significant prison sentence. If you do it to alleviate gender dysmorphia it's fine because it's the good kind of irreversible body modification.

Mmm, possibly. But it's not really an accurate or fair comparison, especially not the perceived or real mental issues around both.

 

[monkers]

I did. It says nothing about medication prescription and everything about access to Mental Health Services even though apparently Gender Dysphoria is not a mental health issue as you are born knowing that you are in the wrong body yada yada yada.

You are in danger of making yourself appear to be something of an idiot.

Gender incongruence is not a mental health condition in and of itself. That is not to say, that the person does not need help. It means receiving the treatment that ameliorates the condition. Where mental health conditions are comorbid they require treatment too. Ignoring the presence of gender incongruence due to other factors is proving to be dangerous.

You may as well argue that a soldier who loses both legs due to stepping on an IED should be satisfied with receiving surgery, but then being 'told to pull themselves together, and get over it'.

 

[monkers]

This is what the coroner said ...

At the time of her death Alice had been on the waiting list for Gender Identity Services for 1023 days which contributed to a decline in her mental health.

 

[monkers]

And this is what Alice Litman's mother has to say ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66843602

 

[monkers]

Who to believe? The suicide expert and the paediatrics expert who spent 4 years looking at evidence or the tax lawyer?

Maya Forstater is a tax 'expert'. Yet you agree with her! The Good Law project hires barristers to take their cases.

The NHS concealed or at least suppressed the facts of these deaths. They knew. Cass was appointed by the NHS. Her report is now widely being discredited.

Who knew, you ask.

Who knows now?

We do, because we have the Coroners' reports.

 

[icowden]

This is what the coroner said ...

So nothing about prescription of puberty blockers

 

[icowden]

And this is what Alice Litman's mother has to say ...

That she was let down by mental health services. Nothing about wanting prescription medication.

 

[icowden]

The NHS concealed or at least suppressed the facts of these deaths.

The NHS does not publish details of deaths

We do, because we have the Coroners' reports.

Which state that access to Mental Health Services which have been cut back by the Government over many years is an issue. Nothing to do with prescription medication.

 

[icowden]

Gender incongruence is not a mental health condition in and of itself. That is not to say, that the person does not need help. It means receiving the treatment that ameliorates the condition. Where mental health conditions are comorbid they require treatment too. Ignoring the presence of gender incongruence due to other factors is proving to be dangerous.

No-one is ignoring it. What is not being done is prescribing medication which has not been tested for the purposes for which it was being used. There is no evidence that this is causing harm, and the "ban" lasts 3 months.

 

[monkers]

So nothing about prescription of puberty blockers

Sigh.

At the time of her death Alice had been on the waiting list for Gender Identity Services for 1023 days which contributed to a decline in her mental health.

 

[icowden]

When Coroners express such concerns, the chicken shoot excuses should end.

Show us where Coroners have expressed concerns about the restriction of the prescription of puberty blockers for the treatment of Gender Dysmorphia.

 

[icowden]

Sigh.

At the time of her death Alice had been on the waiting list for Gender Identity Services for 1023 days which contributed to a decline in her mental health.

Exactly. There was no proposal for her to receive medication. Only to access Gender Identity services for her mental health. You are trying to relate the closure of a loophole with the very real problem of accessing appropriate mental health services. Puberty blockers are not a cure, and for most, not even a treatment.