Gender again. Sorry!

[multitool]

By whom and where ?

Don't worry yourself with it, hun.

 

[multitool]

Angela Rayner is put on the spot by JKR

JK Rowling has agreed to meet Labour on the condition that Angela Rayner apologises for endorsing a charter that described two organisations, Woman’s Place and the LGB Alliance, as “hate groups”.

Angela Rayner will make mincemeat of Enoch Blyton

 

[AuroraSaab]

That's because the Terfs primary aim is to make trans people's lives unliveable. They'll dress it up with the usual "reasonable questions" crap, but that is what they want. Reasonable questions are being asked elsewhere, but not by people like Stock, Joyce, or Minshull.

What things has Kathleen Stock said that would make 'trans people's lives unliveable?'

Actual quotes from her, obviously.

For those not on Twitter, this is what K Stock has had to put up with.

Perhaps you can answer how she personally has contributed? There must be loads of examples.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Don't worry yourself with it, hun.

You've got no links.

The debate is well and truly in the public court now. More and more women are standing up for their rights. This is highlighting organisations oppression of women's rights. They, women will win this war.

 

[multitool]

No, it's a noisy little sideshow.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

I'm not going to disregard what these nurses are saying, but I think there is something a little whiffy about the story.

A little whiffy? Is that the best you can do?

That's because the Terfs primary aim is to make trans people's lives unliveable.

Apparently not, he's back spouting unsubstantiated accusations. The man has no shame.

No, it's a noisy little sideshow.

Why not leave it alone then?

 

[multitool]

Oh look, the leg humper is back, desperately trying to get my attention

Woof! Woof! 🐩 🐩 🐩

 

[multitool]

What things has Kathleen Stock said that would make 'trans people's lives unliveable?'

Actual quotes from her, obviously.

If you read my post I didn't comment on what Stock is saying. In effect I commented on what she is not saying. She isn't contributing to a moderate and respectful discussion.

But since you asked, her opposition to the conversion therapy ban is pretty damn awful.

I grant you that she isn't as venal as the other two I cited, Minshull and Joyce, and I'll take your unwillingness to challenge me on them as a tacit agreement.

Whilst we are talking about Stock, I certainly wouldn't condone or accept her harassment, threats to her or otherwise...because in your trademark dishonest manner your next step will be to claim that I do. But I wouldn't count a letter criticising her signed by 600 academic philosophers as that.

 

[AuroraSaab]

If you read my post I didn't comment on what Stock is saying. In effect I commented on what she is not saying. She isn't contributing to a moderate and respectful discussion.

She very much is if you actually read her articles. She's one of the most sensible and measured voices in the debate, but here you are nonsensically complaining about what she hasn't said. Again, let's see some examples.

But since you asked, her opposition to the conversion therapy ban is pretty damn awful.

Well here it is below. Seems sensible to me. Banning exploratory therapy for children (edit: and adults) who are body/gender dysphoric could lead them down a medical/surgical pathway for an issue which resolves itself with therapy and watchful waiting in many cases. Therapists may be pushed towards affirmation only and afraid of exploratory work in case of prosecution.

https://archive.ph/H0WJ3

I grant you that she isn't as venal as the other two I cited, Minshull and Joyce, and I'll take your unwillingness to challenge me on them as a tacit agreement.

Will you now? You'd be wrong. Let's hear your complaints about Helen Joyce then. She's an experienced journalist and I find what she says pretty sensible too. Let's hear what's so 'venal' about her.

KJ Keen is a popularist who has no philosophy or feminist theory behind what she does.
She does have one thing in common with Helen Joyce; death threats.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...rt-hears-happened-mental-health-struggle.html

I would bet that you actually haven't a clue what Stock or Joyce have actually written.

 

[multitool]

She very much is if you actually read her articles. She's one of the most sensible and measured voices in the debate,

I dont think you are a reliable arbiter of what is sensible and measured

but here you are nonsensically complaining about what she hasn't said. Again, let's see some examples.

Well here it is below. Seems sensible to me. Banning exploratory therapy for children who are body/gender dysphoric could lead them down a medical/surgical pathway for an issue which resolves itself with therapy and watchful waiting in many cases. Therapists may be pushed towards affirmation only and afraid of exploratory work in case of prosecution.

"Exploratory therapy". You are just showing your ignorance. Conversion therapy has a long ignoble history. Used to involve giving gay men emetics then showing them gay porn as they vomited. Again you are coming out with the myth of children having surgery.

https://archive.ph/H0WJ3


Will you now? You'd be wrong. Let's hear your complaints about Helen Joyce then. She's an experienced journalist and I find what she says pretty sensible too. Let's hear what's so 'venal' about her.

Again, because you are you, you'd find her comments about the world needing fewer trans people "sensible and measured".

The rest of us know that it is a coded eugenics message.

KJ Keen is a popularist who has no philosophy or feminist theory behind what she does.

Oh...a rare criticism of Minshull from you. Almost as if you've finally realised what she is after what seems like years of defending her.

I would bet that you actually haven't a clue what Stock or Joyce have actually written.

As with many things, you'd be wrong.

 

[Deleted member 159]

It's like the McCarthy trials, you had to be seen on one side or your career was crushed

 

[Deleted member 159]

Tenant just ruined his prospects telling a woman to shut up about trans.

Allegedly he's trans his kid

 

[AndyRM]

Tenant just ruined his prospects telling a woman to shut up about trans.

Allegedly he's trans his kid

His prospects? For what?

He said "I just wish her to shut up", then Kemi went all snowflake.

Bless.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Helen Joyce perfectly described the last ones to acknowledge the damage they have done to their children will be the 'lost Japanese soldier' fighting a war which ended decades earlier

 

[Deleted member 159]

Tenant all over the news and social media.
O dear