multitool
Pharaoh
Don't worry yourself with it, hun.
Gender again. Sorry!
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Don't worry yourself with it, hun.
multitool
Pharaoh
AuroraSaab
Squire
What things has Kathleen Stock said that would make 'trans people's lives unliveable?'
Actual quotes from her, obviously.
For those not on Twitter, this is what K Stock has had to put up with.
Perhaps you can answer how she personally has contributed? There must be loads of examples.
CXRAndy
Guru
You've got no links.
The debate is well and truly in the public court now. More and more women are standing up for their rights. This is highlighting organisations oppression of women's rights. They, women will win this war.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
A little whiffy? Is that the best you can do?
Apparently not, he's back spouting unsubstantiated accusations. The man has no shame.
Why not leave it alone then?
multitool
Pharaoh
If you read my post I didn't comment on what Stock is saying. In effect I commented on what she is not saying. She isn't contributing to a moderate and respectful discussion.
But since you asked, her opposition to the conversion therapy ban is pretty damn awful.
I grant you that she isn't as venal as the other two I cited, Minshull and Joyce, and I'll take your unwillingness to challenge me on them as a tacit agreement.
Whilst we are talking about Stock, I certainly wouldn't condone or accept her harassment, threats to her or otherwise...because in your trademark dishonest manner your next step will be to claim that I do. But I wouldn't count a letter criticising her signed by 600 academic philosophers as that.
AuroraSaab
Squire
She very much is if you actually read her articles. She's one of the most sensible and measured voices in the debate, but here you are nonsensically complaining about what she hasn't said. Again, let's see some examples.
Well here it is below. Seems sensible to me. Banning exploratory therapy for children (edit: and adults) who are body/gender dysphoric could lead them down a medical/surgical pathway for an issue which resolves itself with therapy and watchful waiting in many cases. Therapists may be pushed towards affirmation only and afraid of exploratory work in case of prosecution.
https://archive.ph/H0WJ3
Will you now? You'd be wrong. Let's hear your complaints about Helen Joyce then. She's an experienced journalist and I find what she says pretty sensible too. Let's hear what's so 'venal' about her.
KJ Keen is a popularist who has no philosophy or feminist theory behind what she does.
She does have one thing in common with Helen Joyce; death threats.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...rt-hears-happened-mental-health-struggle.html
I would bet that you actually haven't a clue what Stock or Joyce have actually written.
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multitool
Pharaoh
I dont think you are a reliable arbiter of what is sensible and measured
"Exploratory therapy". You are just showing your ignorance. Conversion therapy has a long ignoble history. Used to involve giving gay men emetics then showing them gay porn as they vomited. Again you are coming out with the myth of children having surgery.
Again, because you are you, you'd find her comments about the world needing fewer trans people "sensible and measured".
The rest of us know that it is a coded eugenics message.
Oh...a rare criticism of Minshull from you. Almost as if you've finally realised what she is after what seems like years of defending her.
As with many things, you'd be wrong.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
His prospects? For what?
He said "I just wish her to shut up", then Kemi went all snowflake.
Bless.
