Gender again. Sorry!

[Deleted member 159]

And there's 195 countries to choose from, not "hundreds" as you claim

So just 5 short of 200, phrasing of hundreds wouldn't be out of place for generality .

Really, you think arguing over whether someone said the exact of vaguely correct means you score a slam dunk. Nothing to do with trans

 

[classic33]

So just 5 short of 200, phrasing of hundreds wouldn't be out of place for generality .

Really, you think arguing over whether someone said the exact of vaguely correct means you score a slam dunk. Nothing to do with trans

Nothing at all to do with "trans", just offending rates.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You're back to one side of the issue again. Do all trans men and trans women share the same "trans facilities" that you keep demanding? Or do you want seperate facilities for both, making a total of four seperate facilities required.

No; Men, Women, Unisex.

There's a reason he was removed from both parents. But I'm sure you knew that already.

Removed? Put into state care because of erratic and violent behaviour. Explain again how women alone are responsible for BK being firstly trans and a violent criminal. Of course, the relevant factor for placement in appropriate prison/psych unit is not childhood, motivation, or cause of their mental state, but sex.

And there's 195 countries to choose from, not "hundreds" as you claim.

 

[classic33]

No; Men, Women, Unisex.

So you do want all trans people in the same facility. There goes your "dignity and safety" claim again.

Removed? Put into state care because of erratic and violent behaviour. Explain again how women alone are responsible for BK being firstly trans and a violent criminal.

Partially correct, but there were other reason's.
At what age, the second time of asking?
Simple, but it requires that you read what was posted. Not what you think was posted.

Of course, the relevant factor for placement in appropriate prison/psych unit is not childhood, motivation, or cause of their mental state, but sex.

The laws of the land, Ireland, recognises the court issued Gender Recognition Certificate. And that includes everything that goes with it.
You don't like the laws of another country, the simple advice I can give you is avoid going to that country.

 

[AuroraSaab]

So you do want all trans people in the same facility. There goes your "dignity and safety" claim again.

If you allow someone of one sex into the other sex's facilities and services, you have instantly made those into unisex spaces.

So why would a trans person object to using a unisex space and leaving single sex facilities and services for those who want single sex spaces/services? Why would it compromise their dignity and safety but it doesn't for women when you allow men into their spaces?

You can use the unisex facilities too if you like because obviously you aren't bothered about sharing with women.

Partially correct, but there were other reason's.
At what age, the second time of asking?
Simple, but it requires that you read what was posted. Not what you think was posted.

As Barbie Khardashian is your specialist Mastermind topic, why don't you sit in the big chair and tell us how women alone made him both transgender and psychotic as you've claimed? As opposed to the violent rapist father who got his son to join in.

I suggest you take it up with his dad and the lamentable state of Irish mental health care.

 

[classic33]

If you allow someone of one sex into the other sex's facilities and services, you have instantly made those into unisex spaces.

So why would a trans person object to using a unisex space and leaving single sex facilities and services for those who want single sex spaces/services? Why would it compromise their dignity and safety but it doesn't for women when you allow men into their spaces?

You can use the unisex facilities too if you like because obviously you aren't bothered about sharing with women.

You really aren't bothered about women then.

As Barbie Khardashian is your specialist Mastermind topic, why don't you sit in the big chair and tell us how women alone made him both transgender and psychotic as you've claimed? As opposed to the violent rapist father who got his son to join in.

I suggest you take it up with his dad and the lamentable state of Irish mental health care.

Suggest you read back through answers to the same question asked before.

Neither parent can be located. The state tried and failed to locate either.
You're the only one making the psychotic claim, maybe you'd be better explaining that part. And why you only hold one parent to blame?

 

[AuroraSaab]

My solution gives those who want single sex spaces their spaces, and provides a unisex space for trans people who don't want to use the facilities/services provided for their birth sex, and for those who aren't bothered who they share with.

Pretty sure anybody with half a brain can see BK is a very disturbed man.

"Judge O’Donnell said it was also concerning that Kardashian continues to “effectually want to torture their mother to death” and that she has shown “a complete lack of remorse.....
"Five psychiatrists assessed Kardashian and her background file “and all five psychiatrist believe the cause presents a real danger of carrying out her fantasies,” judge O’Donnell said".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ir...ender-prisoner-barbie-kardashian-29526551.amp

There's no sense in arguing with somebody like you who thinks this man should be allowed near women prisoners or patients whilst serving his sentence or undergoing treatment.

 

[classic33]

My solution gives those who want single sex spaces their spaces, and provides a unisex space for trans people who don't want to use the facilities/services provided for their birth sex, and for those who aren't bothered who they share with.

Pretty sure anybody with half a brain can see BK is a very disturbed man.

"Judge O’Donnell said it was also concerning that Kardashian continues to “effectually want to torture their mother to death” and that she has shown “a complete lack of remorse.....
"Five psychiatrists assessed Kardashian and her background file “and all five psychiatrist believe the cause presents a real danger of carrying out her fantasies,” judge O’Donnell said".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ir...ender-prisoner-barbie-kardashian-29526551.amp

There's no sense in arguing with somebody like you who thinks this man should be allowed near women prisoners or patients whilst serving his sentence or undergoing treatment.

Your "solution" isn't really a viable one, in real life, is it. Who's to say that all trans men and trans women that they don't deserve the right to live their lives as they wish*. Or that they might get the choice of where they go.
Your "solution" works on exclusion, not inclusion.

Note that the laws of another country were upheld by a court judge. Not someone like you, who refuses to recognise that laws vary from country to country. And you'll not always like all those laws, but that doesn't make your opinion correct.
Using an out of date piece to try and prove you're correct doesn't work either.
But from that now outdated piece** you linked to,
"but she does share this landing with one other transgender prisoner and two female child killers"
So she was with two female child killers whilst in Limerick Prison.
Where's you empathy, that thing you say is lacking by everyone else. In prison for making threats against a person they don't know is still alive, much less still in the country. And as you have said, failed by the system.

You keep on repeating that the issue isn't toilets, but you keep on bringing them back into your argument.
You have no interest in Barbi Kardashian, but you keep on bringing her into support your argument. Why I have no idea, maybe you should start asking yourself that question.

And for the record I'm in favour of multiple murdererd, who pre-planned their murders serving their time in prison. Not a young offenders institute where they are given the keys to their cells, to come and go as they please.



*As long as they do no harm to anyone else, whatever their creed, colour, religion or any other dividing factor you care to choose.

**Diversionary tactics being employ again when you're unable to formulate a proper answer.

 

[AuroraSaab]

*As long as they do no harm to anyone else, whatever their creed, colour, religion or any other dividing factor you care to choose.

That's the whole point. Giving men access to women's spaces and services is 'harmful' for women and girls. It really isn't just about toilets and safety risk. If a disabled woman is told they can't be guaranteed a same sex carer, that's harmful. If a girl can't be guaranteed a female counsellor after being raped, that's harmful.

The same applies to male single sex services. They are there for a reason.

You have empathy only for those excluded and can't even see why we need single sex services in the first place.

 

[classic33]

That's the whole point. Giving men access to women's spaces and services is 'harmful' for women and girls. It really isn't just about toilets and safety risk. If a disabled woman is told they can't be guaranteed a same sex carer, that's harmful. If a girl can't be guaranteed a female counsellor after being raped, that's harmful.

The same applies to male single sex services. They are there for a reason.

You have empathy only for those excluded and can't even see why we need single sex services in the first place.

Legally they are women. Like it or not.
Explain why trans men should have unfettered access to a boys changing area. Using the same "logic" you've used above.
You're only argument, to date, has been that men shouldn't have any issue's with women in such areas, so they should be allowed. Even the dangerous ones.
As for a disabled women "being denied" a same sexed carer and being harmed by not having one, you're in cloud cuckoo land. Most carer's are family these days, and usually their partner.
Or, as I suspect you will, move it to a hospital setting where the majority of those doing the caring are women anyway. If you try saying that the doctor should be a women, on/by demand, then I think you'll find most people are just happy to be seen.

Your system involves making demands for service over and above what anyone else is getting. Nearly always without thought about the cost, which isn't always monetary. Rescheduling appointments, treatments takes time. Time in which the person needing treatment could be treated. Time in which others could also be seen and treated.

As for empathy "only for the excluded", I was in that excluded group, legally, for half my life. To some extent I'm still excluded. I've never pushed for extra/special treatment, only equal treatment. Therein lies the difference.
I've agreed to go on medication whilst still a child. The long term effects have only recently been acknowledged and explored. Long term now is any time longer than six months. Things change over the years, as I've found out.
I was seen four times by a female specialist, before she decided removing part of the brain was the only course of treatment left. She seemed to delight in the detailed narrative of how the operation would be done. I later found out that I wasn't the only one who'd found her methods odd. As someone else said on a review site, she took an almost perverse delight in her explanations. Reviews on her were pulled and she's no longer on the medical register.
To you, I should have no trouble in getting that from a female. Suck it up, because women get that every day. Not bloody likely.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Yeah 51% of the population aren't going anywhere


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[AuroraSaab]

Legally they are women. Like it or not.
Explain why trans men should have unfettered access to a boys changing area. Using the same "logic" you've used above. You're only argument, to date, has been that men shouldn't have any issue's with women in such areas, so they should be allowed. Even the dangerous ones.

This is bs. I have repeatedly said men have as much right to single sex spaces as women. It's up to them if they want women admitted; I can't consent for them. You can surely see that the risk of assault is less though because women comit only 2% of sex offences and physically are less powerful than males. The biggest risk to boys in a Men's changing room is men. You want women to have that risk too.

As for a disabled women "being denied" a same sexed carer and being harmed by not having one, you're in cloud cuckoo land. Most carer's are family these days, and usually their partner.

Simply not true. Lots of people have carer visits am and pm. They deserve single sex care if they want it.

Or, as I suspect you will, move it to a hospital setting where the majority of those doing the caring are women anyway. If you try saying that the doctor should be a women, on/by demand, then I think you'll find most people are just happy to be seen.

There are male doctors these days, I believe...

Your system involves making demands for service over and above what anyone else is getting.

Your system involves allowing just certain men in women's spaces and services, which is the epitome of giving a group of special men treatment 'over and above' what other men get.

I was seen four times by a female specialist, before she decided removing part of the brain was the only course of treatment left. She seemed to delight in the detailed narrative of how the operation would be done. I later found out that I wasn't the only one who'd found her methods odd. As someone else said on a review site, she took an almost perverse delight in her explanations. Reviews on her were pulled and she's no longer on the medical register.
To you, I should have no trouble in getting that from a female. Suck it up, because women get that every day. Not bloody likely.

I used to think your view was because of some misplaced sympathy for what you think are an oppressed group. It's obvious though that really you feel bitter about how you were treated by women, whether it's this surgeon or those women who were rude to you in the waiting room. So now all women everywhere have to be punished by having men in their spaces. No thanks.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Legally they are women.

Biologically they're males, will always exhibit the worst traits of male behaviour if allowed unfettered access to women's safe places

 

[AndyRM]

Biologically they're males, will always exhibit the worst traits of male behaviour if allowed unfettered access to women's safe places

Ohhh, I get it now. You're a misandrist.

Must be tough. Like those gay Christians who are ashamed of who they are.

 

[monkers]

Biologically they're males, will always exhibit the worst traits of male behaviour if allowed unfettered access to women's safe places

The problem here is that you are judging them by your own standards of behaviour - which would make them the worst people alive.

Others here have intelligence and are alert to facts. You are such a complete cock and a poor excuse for a man.