Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

How about a birthday certificate or salvia swab?

What is a birthday certificate?

 

[CXRAndy]

What is a birthday certificate?

You know what one is, you get one every birthday, normally with a pink balloon or blue 😁

 

[icowden]

How is this to be checked?

Not sure. I think they give parents some sort of certificate at birth to confirm whether the baby is male or female. I'd go with that, or with some sort of official medical certification of gender if the baby is later found to have chromosomal abnormality which invalidates the birth gender.

 

[monkers]

Not sure. I think they give parents some sort of certificate at birth to confirm whether the baby is male or female. I'd go with that, or with some sort of official medical certification of gender if the baby is later found to have chromosomal abnormality which invalidates the birth gender.

Well I don't know too much about US law so I tried co pilot for adjudication ...

Co-Pilot ... In the US do trans children have access to amended birth certificates?

The Reply ...

In the United States, access to amended birth certificates for transgender individuals, including children, varies significantly by state. Some states allow changes to gender markers on birth certificates with certain requirements, such as a doctor's letter or proof of gender-affirming surgery. However, other states have stricter policies or outright prohibit such amendments2.
For example, as of recent updates, six states—Florida, Kansas, Montana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas—do not permit gender marker amendments on birth certificates. Additionally, federal policies introduced in 2025 have aimed to standardize gender definitions, which may influence state-level rulings1.

Co-Pilot ... Second question ... At what age may a trans child in the US ask for an amended birth certificate

Second reply ...

In the United States, the age at which a transgender child can request an amended birth certificate depends on state laws. Generally, minors cannot apply independently; a parent or legal guardian must make the request on their behalf. Some states may have specific age-related requirements or additional criteria, such as medical documentation or court orders.

Third question ... Please check the claims made between these two posters on accuracy, and the validity of the reply ...

That's one thing, but if the price of policing this having girls becomes girls subjected to genital checks, you'll still be happy?

The bill states that this is not supported: SECTION 1. Short title. This Act may be cited as the “Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2025”. SEC. 2. Amendment. Section 901 of the Education Amendments of 1972 (20 U.S.C. 1681) is amended by adding at the end the following: “(d) (1) It shall be a violation of subsection (a) for a recipient of Federal funds who operates, sponsors, or facilitates athletic programs or activities to permit a person whose sex is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls. “(2) For purposes of this subsection, sex shall be recognized based solely on a person's reproductive biology and genetics at birth.”.

The reply ...

Monkers raises a valid concern about the potential implications of enforcing the "Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2025." The concern revolves around whether the enforcement of the bill could lead to invasive practices, such as genital checks, to verify an individual's sex. This is a sensitive and significant issue, as it touches on privacy, dignity, and the potential for harm.

The bill itself, as cited, does not explicitly mandate or support such invasive practices. It defines sex based on "reproductive biology and genetics at birth" but does not detail the methods or procedures for verifying this. The lack of clarity in the bill leaves room for interpretation, which could lead to concerns about how it might be implemented in practice.

The reply to Monkers' point, stating that the bill does not support such practices, is technically accurate based on the text provided. However, it does not fully address the concern about the potential for unintended consequences or the methods that might be used to enforce the bill's provisions. The absence of explicit safeguards against invasive practices in the bill could leave room for such concerns to persist.

In summary:

1. Monkers' concern is valid, as it highlights potential privacy and ethical issues related to enforcement.
2. The reply accurately reflects the bill's text but does not fully alleviate concerns about enforcement methods.
3. The bill's lack of specificity on enforcement mechanisms leaves room for interpretation, which could lead to unintended consequences.

 

[AuroraSaab]

The only athletes who would refuse to be honest about their birth sex, and whose parents would also refuse to be honest, and who would not provide a doctor's note, and even refuse to take a cheek swab test, are the ones who have no right to be in the female category. No genital inspection will be required. Funnily enough, lots of US female athletes support the protection of their category and don't seem alarmed at the prospect of verification.

 

[monkers]

The only athletes who would refuse to be honest about their birth sex, and whose parents would also refuse to be honest, and who would not provide a doctor's note, and even refuse to take a cheek swab test, are the ones who have no right to be in the female category. No genital inspection will be required. Funnily enough, lots of US female athletes support the protection of their category and don't seem alarmed at the prospect of verification.

You are willfully ignoring the elephant in the room. Whenever a female athlete wins, there will be the transvestigations from the usual suspects. We know this because it is already happening on places like Mumsnet. Just as women, especially we lesbians, get transvsestigated in public toilets for looking too masculine, or too this, or too that.

This will happen live at competitions, with some parents insulting the children making incorrect judgement calls about other children. The whole thing is terribly damaging for children.

There are real ethical and legal issues surrounding this.

Already I know that nothing will stop you, and least of all the truth.

 

[AuroraSaab]

This is a situation created by those men who push themselves into women's spaces and those who cheer it on. It has arisen because it can no longer be assumed that someone using women's services is female because so many men have insisted on transgressing those boundaries. It's hardly an argument for allowing it to continue. If anything it proves the need for clearly delegated and enforced single sex spaces so women and girls can all go back to not having to worry about who is next to us in the changing room or on the track.

 

[monkers]

This is a situation created by those men who push themselves into women's spaces and those who cheer it on. It has arisen because it can no longer be assumed that someone using women's services is female because so many men have insisted on transgressing those boundaries. It's hardly an argument for allowing it to continue. If anything it proves the need for clearly delegated and enforced single sex spaces so women and girls can all go back to not having to worry about who is next to us in the changing room or on the track.

Bullshit. You don't have evidence of even low level harm caused by trans women, let alone the industrial scale harm that you fantasists pretend.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I think it's harmful that this 'woman', who murdered his wife and 2 young children, and who was called 'she' and 'her' throughout the trial, was remanded in a female prison and even after conviction has the right to be in the Canadian jail that matches his perceived gender.

From the article:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-pas-sa-place-dans-une-prison-pour-femmes.php

I won't bother listing the many other men women's prisons, nor the many males who compete in sports against women and girls, because it wouldn't matter how many there were it would never be enough to make those women's feelings and welfare more important than the demands of men like him.

 

[CXRAndy]

You don't have evidence of even low level harm caused by trans women

Riley Gaines for starters

 

[monkers]

I think it's harmful that this 'woman', who murdered his wife and 2 young children, and who was called 'she' and 'her' throughout the trial, was remanded in a female prison and even after conviction has the right to be in the Canadian jail that matches his perceived gender.

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I won't bother listing the many other men women's prisons, nor the many males who compete in sports against women and girls, because it wouldn't matter how many there were it would never be enough to make those women's feelings and welfare more important than the demands of men like him.

Al Boulez is a monster, was not a trans woman at the time of the offences, is not a trans woman now, tried hoodwinking the authorities, and is held in the male prison estate. Next?

 

[monkers]

Riley Gaines for starters

Riley Gaines is a prominent Conservative political activist. She was so before she lost to Lia Thomas. Losing to Lia was the best thing that could have happened to her because it gave her the platform for her to voice her pre-existing bigotry. Next.

 

[CXRAndy]

She actually didn't lose, they were tied equal. The authorities wanted a poster boy so gave the trophy to him.

She has and others have reported that he changed naked I'm front of them multiple times a day.

Friends of his have said he was also dating girls at the same time

 

[monkers]

She actually didn't lose, they were tied equal. The authorities wanted a poster boy so gave the trophy to him.

She has and others have reported that he changed naked I'm front of them multiple times a day.

Friends of his have said he was also dating girls at the same time

Women do date other women - happens all the time.

 

[classic33]

I think it's harmful that this 'woman', who murdered his wife and 2 young children, and who was called 'she' and 'her' throughout the trial, was remanded in a female prison and even after conviction has the right to be in the Canadian jail that matches his perceived gender.

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I won't bother listing the many other men women's prisons, nor the many males who compete in sports against women and girls, because it wouldn't matter how many there were it would never be enough to make those women's feelings and welfare more important than the demands of men like him.

It'd be for the best.
The last time you tried you knowingly said a women(by birth sex, your metric) was a man in the womens prison in Limerick, when she was being held in Dublin.
Your basis for this was that she was in solitary for 23 of 24 hours a day. With extra guards, for her protection, in the one hour she wasn't in solitary.
You also cheered when a medical facility got handed over to the mens prison, with a lone female in it. And it wasn't Barbie.

Maybe you could take the time to explain why you feel female multiple murderers deserve to be in a hospital, with full freedom to move around(key to their own cell), whilst a man who'd been found guilty of the same would most likely get life in a prison.