Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

So the argument is that random men aren't a danger to women when they go in women's single sex spaces, but random men are a danger to trans identifying men if such men go in males spaces.

This is a nonsense argument predicated on trans identifying men somehow being magically safer than other men simply by saying 'I'm a woman'. They're still men.


Again though I see that rape and violent assault is being set as the benchmark for what women and girls must put up with. Anything less doesn't count. We aren't just talking about toilets it's prisons, rape crisis centres, intimate cate for disabled women and girls, dv refuges.

Edit: I will also add that male on male violence is not a problem that women should be expected to solve.

Women's services and facilities are for women. They are not refuges for men that other men don't like.

 

[monkers]

So the argument is that random men aren't a danger to women when they go in women's single sex spaces, but random men are a danger to trans identifying men if such men go in males spaces.

This is a nonsense argument predicated on trans identifying men somehow being magically safer than other men simply by saying 'I'm a woman'. They're still men.


Again though I see that rape and violent assault is being set as the benchmark for what women and girls must put up with. Anything less doesn't count. We aren't just talking about toilets it's prisons, rape crisis centres, intimate cate for disabled women and girls, dv refuges.

The evidence is that trans women are safe. To keep on this weirdness of your's is well just weird.

To justify your claim, you have to bring the evidence. It's clear you can't do so, because you are a LIAR.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You should read your link Fruitloops.

You should read it too. The exceptions - ie when it is permissible to exclude - do not depend on a GRC.

 

[AuroraSaab]

The evidence is that trans women are safe. To keep on this weirdness of your's is well just weird.

To justify your claim, you have to bring the evidence. It's clear you can't do so, because you are a LIAR.

They are men. They are as safe/unsafe as any other man. So unless you are wanting every service and space to be mixed sex, then you are arguing that there are special subset of men who should be treated more favourably than other men, simply on their say so. This is nonsense.

You haven't produced any evidence why a woman in a domestic violence refuge should feel ok about sharing it with a man who says he he's a woman when she isn't ok with any other man.

There are no magic words or certificates that suddenly dissipate women's discomfort about men being present in certain situations. You seek privileges that no other men are given.

 

[monkers]

They are men. They are as safe/unsafe as any other man. So unless you are wanting every service and space to be mixed sex, then you are arguing that there are special subset of men who should be treated more favourably than other men, simply on their say so. This is nonsense.

You haven't produced any evidence why a woman in a domestic violence refuge should feel ok about sharing it with a man who says he he's a woman when she isn't ok with any other man.

There are no magic words or certificates that suddenly dissipate women's discomfort about men being present in certain situations. You seek privileges that no other men are given.

Rant. Rant. Rant. Thousands of posts of you ranting the same thing.

Blanket bans are unlawful.

The guidance you linked states that a trans woman with a GRC is a woman, and has the legal sex of a woman.

 

[Bromptonaut]

@AuroraSaab do you seriously think that excluding people with a birth certificate that says they're female from women's facilities is, in anything but the most extreme circumstances, a proportionate means to any legitimate end?

 

[AuroraSaab]

What do you mean by facilities? Do you think having a certificate means a man should be allowed in the communal changing room of a swimming baths to change next to women and girls? Do you think if a disabled woman asks for a same sex carer for intimate washing, it's acceptable if that 'woman' is a man with a certificate?

Why do you think a certificate should magically make women and girls comfortable with a man's presence? Can you explain the logic behind how a piece of paper suddenly waves away all the reasons why we have single sex services in the first place?

 

[CXRAndy]

You are mansplaining - pack it in - women don't need men to tell them what they need.

Exactly,

men should have nothing to do with women's safety and privacy 👍

 

[AuroraSaab]

Scottish Parliament for once making a sensible provision and allocating toilets and showers as some biological single sex and some gender neutral.

View: https://x.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1920492362062590156

 

[monkers]

Exactly,

men should have nothing to do with women's safety and privacy 👍

Exactly, you have nothing to do with my safety and privacy. STFU.

 

[CXRAndy]

Superb Terf Friends United 😁

 

[Bromptonaut]

What do you mean by facilities? Do you think having a certificate means a man should be allowed in the communal changing room of a swimming baths to change next to women and girls? Do you think if a disabled woman asks for a same sex carer for intimate washing, it's acceptable if that 'woman' is a man with a certificate?

Why do you think a certificate should magically make women and girls comfortable with a man's presence? Can you explain the logic behind how a piece of paper suddenly waves away all the reasons why we have single sex services in the first place?

Sorry @AuroraSaab but I'm not getting into a debate phrased in nonsensical terms about a 'piece of paper'. Anybody with a GRC has, or can have, a birth certificate in their acquired gender.

That should be all they need.

 

[AuroraSaab]

That should be all they need for what? Unfettered access to women's spaces and services?

The implications of such a policy are far reaching and yet so many men on here are unwilling to even say what they think having a GRC should specifically entitle someone to, nevermind why women are expected to treat any man with a certificate differently from a man without.

No point using the @ for me either. I turned off notifications long ago, having grown tired of regularly waking up to 3 CC emails telling me I'd been mentioned by your fellow traveller.

 

[CXRAndy]

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Funny on so many levels


View: https://x.com/CNviolations/status/1920594558817350093?t=1fK3YhSu1kbV_yJgRuH4sA&s=19

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Sorry @AuroraSaab but I'm not getting into a debate phrased in nonsensical terms about a 'piece of paper'. Anybody with a GRC has, or can have, a birth certificate in their acquired gender.

That should be all they need.

Come on Brompton let us know what you mean by 'facillities'. Are you volunteering to check the GRCs of those wishing entry?

To enter these facilities you you must present your credentials to the Brompton rider of Rohan. Your GRC or your genitals, the choice is yours.