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AndyRM

Elder Goth
My goodness, I had no idea about any of this! Thank you both for 'splaining these things to me...

Hell, Aurora even made my point for me, well one of them - questions have rightly been asked about the long term and life changing effects of putting children through this kind of physical and mental pressure.

But I guess it's fine when it comes to sports...
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
Well you were being a bit of a plank about it :biggrin:
 
Hell, Aurora even made my point for me, well one of them - questions have rightly been asked about the long term and life changing effects of putting children through this kind of physical and mental pressure.

But I guess it's fine when it comes to sports...

No, it's not fine, but elite athletes (or musicians) rarely spring from nowhere at 25 years of age. Most of them will have been training for years having been spotted in their teens as having a natural gift and potential. It's certainly debatable whether such single minded dedication is healthy or not, but I don't see how you can automatically assume it's abuse.

Funny that you have concern for female athletes all of a sudden when in reality you'd have that 12 year old Chinese girl changing with and competing with an adult man who claimed to be a woman, or spending years training only to be beaten in the Olympics by a man with a dsd.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
That's a fairly massive assumption about how I feel.

It's also being overly generous to suggest that putting a child under the kind of mental and physical duress required to be competing against adults is anything other than abuse.

China has one of the most questionable attitude to children on the planet, and I can't believe that anyone is OK with that.
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
When a young person shows outstanding talent/performance. They are generally excited to compete against older athletes.

That's how you develop their talent further, by pushing their abilities.

You may question all parents/coaches across the world whether they are going too far to get their child to the top of their sport
 
A girl who was a year below me at Grammar School was a gifted swimmer and made national championships and Commonwealth Games.

I can't find much about her life post late seventies but my memory is of mental health issues and/or eating disorders.

Local lass in another sport had similar post fame issues.
 
McConnell is a trans identifying woman.
The statements are typically hyperbolic...

'..shatter trans lives'
'.. tell me you're willing to destroy my life'

...with no consideration for how giving men access to their spaces will affect women.

Men's lives are not shattered by not being allowed access to women's changing rooms, refuges, rape crisis centres, jails, hospital wards, or sports. In fact, McConnell's examples of things that will destroy trans people's lives are pretty weak:

'..banned from loos and shelters' - the toilet situation can be solved by having additional mixed sex 3rd spaces or enclosed facilities. Shelters? It is not shattering to a man's life to refuse him a place in a shelter or refuge that is for women because other provision can be made. It might be very traumatic to women who have suffered male violence or rape to have to share with him though.

"A women-only gardening club with more than 25 members will be legally required to exclude a trans woman, even if she’s legally a woman, and even if her fellow members want her there". It isn't Women Only if men can join. They can just call it mixed sex and the problem is solved.

What else? Well trans people weren't snubbed by the supreme court - it wasn't a consultation. They had the Scottish government and trans orgs advocating in court on their behalf.

McConnell claims the law on puberty blockers changed because of lobbying by groups they call 'well funded'. It didn't. It changed because Cass's 4 year review could find no benefit. Other countries have since followed suit. Most women's rights groups are funded by small donations, unlike trans orgs which get central funds and council/government money.

All in all, it's a straightforward disingenuous take which gives zero consideration to how loss of single sex spaces might affect women, with a bit of guilt tripping and 'first they came for the trans' to round it off.
 
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