Gender again. Sorry!
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monkers
Shaman
You stole her from me, and I'll never forgive either of you.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
Likely a pause for tweaks to the protocol but good that the risks are being acknowledged.
View: https://x.com/hannahsbee/status/2024940290050535563
View: https://x.com/hannahsbee/status/2024940290050535563
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Ianonabike
Guest
One never quite gets used to how insane this stuff is.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
I thought the trial was only for 10/11 and up. It was open to 8 year olds apparently.
Can an 8 year old understand the risk of infertility or bone damage? Can they knowingly consent?
Can an 8 year old understand the risk of infertility or bone damage? Can they knowingly consent?
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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- Bugbrooke, Northants
General principle issue.
Is the child's understanding key?
I think ANY treatment at that age would be for parents to agree.
OK, gender incongruence isn't childhood cancer but do the same principles apply.
By age 14 I was far enough into puberty that my voice had changed and I could ejaculate; bit late to block the process.
monkers
Shaman
There is a harm - an unidentified harm. Precocious puberty is a harm.
Precocious puberty is increasing across most of the world. It is happening too fast to be explained by human evolution. Therefore there are triggers. Those triggers are being investigated but no single factor exactly correlates, suggesting that two or more factors are present.
In South Korea, menarche occurred at average age 16 just forty years ago, now it is twelve. Breast development likewise is precocious by a few years. Higher BMI correlates somewhat, so do some environmental pollutants such as BPA. Other factors that do somewhat are family stress levels, and changes to the night sky.
Concern about the use of puberty blockers at age eight is legitimate concern. However the pool of children involved as trans children is at a micro level, the pool of children involved at the macro level is huge.
A puberty blocker trial may be helpful at the micro level, but we need the application of some more serious science at the macro level.
To anticipate the questions that try to push responsibility onto me - no, I don't think there is evidence that puberty blockers are safe to give to eight year olds and to continue their use for ten years - and no I don't believe that eight year olds have capacity alone for bodily autonomy.
I don't believe that any health secretary or court in the land has the competence to make these decision. I think that only a multi-disciplinary team including parents can exercise best judgment to decide treatments. I think there needs to be a small amount of wiggle room to allow treatments to be prescribed in good faith without recourse to liability claims. I think that something like two years should be close to optimal in terms of a pause. I don't think a switch to CSEs should be the default. I think this is something that needs very careful management, that given the state already says that ''the welfare of the child shall be paramount'' that the resources must follow each case without exception - if not it is the state itself that is liable.
I think presumption of ''probably just gay'' are just lazy ill-informed opinions that should go straight to the bin.
Precocious puberty is increasing across most of the world. It is happening too fast to be explained by human evolution. Therefore there are triggers. Those triggers are being investigated but no single factor exactly correlates, suggesting that two or more factors are present.
In South Korea, menarche occurred at average age 16 just forty years ago, now it is twelve. Breast development likewise is precocious by a few years. Higher BMI correlates somewhat, so do some environmental pollutants such as BPA. Other factors that do somewhat are family stress levels, and changes to the night sky.
Concern about the use of puberty blockers at age eight is legitimate concern. However the pool of children involved as trans children is at a micro level, the pool of children involved at the macro level is huge.
A puberty blocker trial may be helpful at the micro level, but we need the application of some more serious science at the macro level.
To anticipate the questions that try to push responsibility onto me - no, I don't think there is evidence that puberty blockers are safe to give to eight year olds and to continue their use for ten years - and no I don't believe that eight year olds have capacity alone for bodily autonomy.
I don't believe that any health secretary or court in the land has the competence to make these decision. I think that only a multi-disciplinary team including parents can exercise best judgment to decide treatments. I think there needs to be a small amount of wiggle room to allow treatments to be prescribed in good faith without recourse to liability claims. I think that something like two years should be close to optimal in terms of a pause. I don't think a switch to CSEs should be the default. I think this is something that needs very careful management, that given the state already says that ''the welfare of the child shall be paramount'' that the resources must follow each case without exception - if not it is the state itself that is liable.
I think presumption of ''probably just gay'' are just lazy ill-informed opinions that should go straight to the bin.
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monkers
Shaman
Learn to read. Actually learn to think is better advice.
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Ianonabike
Guest
They like to bring it into these conversations to muddy the waters. Same with DSDs.
CXRAndy
Epic Member
For quite a while intersex was the third sex, touted by the trans lobby as normal therefore trans is normal.
