CXRAndy
Epic Member
It was a doddle 50 years ago. Im sure they've improved the process somewhat
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Gender again. Sorry!
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TailWindHome
Über Member
Youre the people 'discussing' it for 1326 pages
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
Very few athletes reach Olympian levels. They still deserve fairness in their sports, whatever level they compete at. High school girls deserve to fairly excel in their own sports as much as world class athletes.
As I have said a dozen times on here, fairness in sports is decided at the outset. It's not decided afterwards based on the outcome. It's not decided by the numbers of cheats being small either. Doped riders like Lance Armstrong didn't win every race they rode in; they still had an unfair advantage.
Here's an archive of women who were displaced by male athletes. Most of these are women (most in US) who lost out to trans identifying men, mostly not to dsd athletes.
https://www.shewon.org/
Cycling is one of the worst sports for continuing to allow male participation in the Women's category, especially in the US.
CXRAndy
Epic Member
Do you support the exclusion of males from all female sports at whatever level?
TailWindHome
Über Member
You're answering a question with a question
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
I thought this bit of the Guardian report was particularly nasty.
It's basically telling girls their right to defy stereotypes rests on allowing males into their sports. Girls who aren't ultra feminine have to forego fairness in case someone claims they're a boy. It's a situation wholly created by trans activism in the first place.
And this para seems a bit racist.
It's basically telling girls their right to defy stereotypes rests on allowing males into their sports. Girls who aren't ultra feminine have to forego fairness in case someone claims they're a boy. It's a situation wholly created by trans activism in the first place.
And this para seems a bit racist.
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TailWindHome
Über Member
It's not racist to point out how policies have been applied in a racist fashion
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
It's a cheek swab that all seeking to compete in the women's category will take. I don't see how it's racist. If anything, as elite level dsd athletes disproportionately come from developing countries it will benefit ethnic minority women as they won't be displaced by their country's 5ard male competitors.
The only people 'overly affected' will be men.
The only people 'overly affected' will be men.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
I didn't say it was. And the point was brought up by others, though I'm not entirely sure what it is.
Mine is that swabbing kids is impractical for a variety of reasons.
If anyone else is involved with sport at a youth level I'd be genuinely interested to hear their ideas.
CXRAndy
Epic Member
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
It's continually framed as a trans ban. It's not. Nobody is banned from competing. Males are being expected to compete in the category of their sex, whether dsd athletes or trans identifying men.
They need to apply the same criteria to the paraolympics too.
They need to apply the same criteria to the paraolympics too.
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CXRAndy
Epic Member
It should be clarified as 'Y' chromosome ban in women's sports. The para-Olympics come under the same rules, so come 2028.
Again those who lost out on medals going back at least 10 years should be awarded their medals
Example here
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Again those who lost out on medals going back at least 10 years should be awarded their medals
Example here
View: https://x.com/i/status/2037544331364495562
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
The reason so few trans identifying men (as opposed to dsd athletes) have competed at Olympic level is that until 2016 they had to have had their genitals removed and also because it's only in the last 10 years or so that sports organisations have allowed males to self identify into the female category at lower levels. If those rules had continued at Olympic level it's inevitable that there would have been more Laurel Hubbard moments.
As you can see in the photo, most trans identifying men don't have the surgery. They are of course free to compete in their correct sex category; if they're any good they will do well.
As you can see in the photo, most trans identifying men don't have the surgery. They are of course free to compete in their correct sex category; if they're any good they will do well.
