BoldonLad
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“People derive their knowledge of politics”? An oxywhatsit surely? 😊
General Election 2024....
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“People derive their knowledge of politics”? An oxywhatsit surely? 😊
stephec
Regular
Electric_Andy
Regular
I'm not sure the green Uturn by Labour will be as damaging as people think. For many working class people, whilst they care about the planet, they also need to consider rising costs, quality of life and putting food on their table whilst try and pay ever rising utility bills. Most people apart from the staunch far right will hopefully want a new party in, as they can't really do any worse
multitool
Shaman
Looks like the latest Tory mendacious editing of Sadiq Khan's speech means Labour has picked up their gauntlet and thrown it right back at them.
What a brilliant political ad, on every level:
https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1759671981392232818?s=20
What a brilliant political ad, on every level:
https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1759671981392232818?s=20
farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
Any chance of a synopsis for the disconnected please?
multitool
Shaman
It's footage of Sunak speaking to camera, and pausing to look at a phone notification. The Labour ad has turned it into repeated interruptions, with a screenshot everytime showing that each notification is about bad news arriving under the Tories.
I liked it because its a revenge on the Tories recent editing of a Sadiq Khan speech that was purely mendacious, whereas the Labour ad says nothing that isn't true. It also makes Sunak look hapless.
farfromtheland
Regular AND Goofy
Thank you!
ebikeerwidnes
Well-Known Member
At this point they are certain that they will loose and are quite happy for Sunak to stay as the leader so he can be blamed after
The very last thing they want to do is to become leader and then loose the election by a huge amount - which they would - and then loose the leadership as a result
Hence they are now all fighting to look the best option for the next leader - and the impression the "front runners" seem to have is that the member ship want a right wing looney to take the Party forward
hence them all signalling right, right and then right a bit more
leaving and joining Reform would be a dumb move from a career point of view - so they will only do that if they feel they have totally screwed it up - like 30p
The resulting fall out after they loose the next election - essentially if it a total wash out - should be interesting
This does of course leave one major weapon for Sunak - is the party is causing too much trouble for him then he could tell them to either get back in line or he will resign and let them deal with the consequences
This has probably already happened - at least once
icowden
Legendary Member
Maybe someone needs to teach the old racist how to use the internet:-
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk...have-looked-with-proportional-representation/
There would be 53 less Tories and 48 more Lib Dems, 18 more Labour and 18 less SNP. The Brexit party would have 3 MPs.
If we go back to 2015, there would have been a hung parliament again and UKIP would have had 44 seats. The Labour and Conservative Parties would have been neck and neck with 255 Con, 250 Lab. Lib Dems would have had 46. The Lib Dems would not have gone into coalition with Cons if they were also in coalition with UKIP. The SNP would have 32. To form a majority government, Labour would have needed to form a coalition with the SNP and Lib Dems.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/what-would-the-election-look-like-under-pr/
icowden
Legendary Member
It's pronounced Retch PLC ;-)
AuroraSaab
Legendary Member
At their best showing, Ukip would have had 80 seats under some PR systems, so back then he might have been right in that he possibly could have been deputy PM in a coalition. Not to say that would have lasted more than one term though.
The middle bit is saying what nearly everybody says on the Starmer thread.
