Gulf War No.37: Iranistan
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CXRAndy
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Pinno718
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TailWindHome
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I'm sorry, they called the jounalists monkey and dogs based on their race, then complained they felt unsafe?
Psamathe
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Thinking (aloud) about what I'd be saying if I were Iran. starting I'd be requiring that the negotiations are between Iran and both US & Israel (ie not just US). I'd be requiring that given US/Israel's recent record of negotiations all military attacks on Iran immediately stop whilst negotiations are ongoing.
1st negotiation requirement from Iran is "How are you going to convince us neither US nor Israel will be attacking us again in the future.
2nd given the US and Israel's track record on failing to honour international agreements and international law, both US & Israel must accept that Iran is a sovereign state and must have the capability to defend itself should others fail to honour treaties and/or international law.
I can think of plenty more but can't see US and Israel agreeing to the above.
Iran must realise how strong their position actually is if only their control if the Strait and to me looks like that control and its impact on world economy is what's got Trūmp running scared.
1st negotiation requirement from Iran is "How are you going to convince us neither US nor Israel will be attacking us again in the future.
2nd given the US and Israel's track record on failing to honour international agreements and international law, both US & Israel must accept that Iran is a sovereign state and must have the capability to defend itself should others fail to honour treaties and/or international law.
I can think of plenty more but can't see US and Israel agreeing to the above.
Iran must realise how strong their position actually is if only their control if the Strait and to me looks like that control and its impact on world economy is what's got Trūmp running scared.
PurplePenguin
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The way it should sensibly work is that Israel/US stop bombing and Iran stops launching missiles. They then enter negotiations about how to reopen the strait which would no doubt involve Iran receiving a load of money through a change in sanctions. Iran's security against future attacks is that they can close the strait again.
The problem is that that makes it look a lot like Israel/US have lost the war. Maybe Iran can put out a statement that they pinky promise not to make any nuclear weapons, because the super powerful warrior Trump has destroyed their ability to do so. Obviously, they will actually now just make them.
Pblakeney
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I'm not so sure about that. Didn't the latest "excursion" begin while negotiations were on-going? 🤔
The representatives from Oman seemed to think so, along with Jonathan Powell the UK National Security Adviser.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-iran-talks-and-judged-deal-was-within-reach
CXRAndy
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You're dreaming, Islamic regime is in a precarious situation. Internal attacks are beginning to take place against look out guards at check points. Targeted hits against individuals high up in the regime continue. The Iranian people are directly reporting pin point locations of the irrg to Israeli forces. Checkpoints are now reported as abandoned, men fleeing across the border to Pakistan. A few more weeks should hopefully see the Persians rise up and take back their country
Psamathe
Guru
Hence my comment saying "... that given US/Israel's recent record of negotiations..." ie first sign of attack from Israel or US whilst negotiation ongoing and Iran launches massive attack on ... Iran effectively saying "after your behaviour just a few weeks ago nobody, us included will trust you so break this and we'll just go no-limits".
Pblakeney
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I read your comment a few times and could read it either way each time.
I totally agree. The US and Israel are completely untrustworthy. I do not see any point in entering negotiations, while I (forlornly) hope they work.
Psamathe
Guru
I agree. I claim no expertise or experience of ending wars but everybody seems to be saying that these days all wars end through talking not fighting. Yet from Iran's perspective they were talking, compromising, etc. and then their opposite numbers started a war! What can they do?
But, assuming the "all ways end through talking", makes me wonder if Israel will ever wonder what it needs to do to live in peace. C4 News interviewing a resident from Lebanon standing outside what was his house, now a ruin with family members buried somewhere under it all and he said "I now have a vendetta, not against Hezbollah but against Israel". Even those in part blaming Hezbollah also seem to appreciate that it's not Hezbollah dropping bombs killing their families, destroying their house, livelihoods and communities.
When I was younger I used to go travelling with Bedouin and it was a real eye-opener in terms of how differently different people can look at the world and what's important to them. I'm sure it's all very different these days but I used to go in from Israel through the Taba Border Crossing which made the contrast even sharper. Generally get up very early in Israel to get through border and sort transport, etc. in Sinai. One trip went to hotel reception to check-out and receptionist asleep on a sofa so shook him to wake him and ... machine gun pointing in my chest.
BoldonLad
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The Americans are about to launch a manned mission to orbit the moon. At the same time, their deranged President is waging war on Iran and posting crap on social media.
Bizarre or what?
Bizarre or what?
