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albion
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Been the same from start to finish. Razing Gaza to the ground unforunately involves a lot of genocide.
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multitool
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It's quite bizarre to see those images of holes in the roofs of the vehicles, the entry point of the munitions. Low yield munitions too because the vehicle is essentially intact. High precision ...because the weapon hit a moving target. Not only that, but three weapons hitting three targets in the same manner.
This isn't the hallmark of a 'terrible mistake'. It was precise targeting with a precision weapon, not a 500lb lump of steel filled with explosive dropped from a plane from miles away.
This is deliberate targeting of civilians because that is what the IDF have been doing since October.
This isn't the hallmark of a 'terrible mistake'. It was precise targeting with a precision weapon, not a 500lb lump of steel filled with explosive dropped from a plane from miles away.
This is deliberate targeting of civilians because that is what the IDF have been doing since October.
multitool
Pharaoh
The domestic UK response to the deaths of seven aid workers is interesting. It has provoked Sunak to describe it as an "appaling tragedy", whereas the deaths of 30k people, mostly women and children do not merit such words.
It has prompted questions about UK weapons sales to Israel, but the 30k deaths did not.
If the deaths of so many civilians can be tolerated as an unfortunate but unavoidable consequence of a just war, then surely so can a few aid workers?
Or is it just further proof of the collusion of politicians in the US axis in the dehumanisation of Palestinians?
It has prompted questions about UK weapons sales to Israel, but the 30k deaths did not.
If the deaths of so many civilians can be tolerated as an unfortunate but unavoidable consequence of a just war, then surely so can a few aid workers?
Or is it just further proof of the collusion of politicians in the US axis in the dehumanisation of Palestinians?
multitool
Pharaoh
This could get interesting. There is a precedent for a UK arms embargo on Israel ('82 after invasion of Lebanon).
I have a feeling this incident may be a turning point in the war. There are voices in the Tory ranks expressing concern at UK supplied weapons being used for targeted attacks on civilians in Gaza.
I have a feeling this incident may be a turning point in the war. There are voices in the Tory ranks expressing concern at UK supplied weapons being used for targeted attacks on civilians in Gaza.
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cookiemonster
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This is my opinion as well.
30K+ dead Palestinians in an orgy of unrestrained bloodletting by the IDF gets the response 'All good. Carry on. As you were. Fill yer boots. We're going to be looking over here instead'.
Three UK aid workers killed and the response is 'Oh! We better do something. This is intolerable.'
The hypocrisy by the UK political class is off the scale.
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multitool
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To be fair (and I know that isn't the done thing at all on this forum, where personal animus must take precedence over actual truth) there are large swathes of the UK "political class" who have been calling out the violence for months.
cookiemonster
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Agree. Humza Yousef for one as he was calling this out from the start. I think I should've said Westminster political class.
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albion
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The Israel spokesman got pulled up by a BBC interviewer and replied 'you need to await the report'
It was put back to him essentially as 'we are still await nearly all reports on all your other atocities'.
Personally I could ot see any point in any of those interviews when all you get is aggression, stonewalling and lies.
It was put back to him essentially as 'we are still await nearly all reports on all your other atocities'.
Personally I could ot see any point in any of those interviews when all you get is aggression, stonewalling and lies.
winjim
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Thing is, we are told* that 'the first duty of government is to protect its citizens', so if they're not willing or able to take steps to do that then it entirely undermines the legitimacy of the government, and even the constitutional power structures of the country itself.
*For the avoidance of doubt, I am of the opinion that this phrase comes from the same school of rhetoric as '[nation state] has the right to exist' and '[nation state] has the right to defend itself', that is I find it simplistic, patronising and jingoistic.
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Krishnan did a pretty good job with the Israeli spox last night.
View: https://twitter.com/LaserMike/status/1775254444856537341?t=RzCZIu3CHQxb2lt2YGro2A&s=19
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multitool
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Without googling it, do you know who said this and when they said it?
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cookiemonster
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Without googling it, do you know who said this and when they said it?
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It was Starmer but he wasn’t saying that until fairly recently. Humza Yousef was stating this from Oct 10th.
multitool
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Fairly recently being last year.
cookiemonster
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What is the date of the statement? It certainly wasn’t last year when this all kicked off.