spen666
Well-Known Member
It was a joke you pillock?
Yes, very intellectual debating skills there.
I bow to you clearly superior intellectual ability
Israel / Palestine
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It was a joke you pillock?
Yes, very intellectual debating skills there.
I bow to you clearly superior intellectual ability
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Meh, to be honest I've always thought that the allegations of corruption are one of those things that are usually just from folk who are sore their country didn't do well.
Terry Wogan's chat about bloc voting cemented the idea in Britain and people took that as Europe snubbing us, but the reality is that with a few outliers, our entries have been garbage over the years.
Anyway, it looks like the US might actually come out and do something decisive about Israel considering some of the things I've read over the weekend. It's not like Biden has anything to lose and it would be quite a statement to go out on if he decided to end US support.
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
There's never any banter between nations on any other occasions I can think of.
matticus
Guru
You mean apart from international sport. RIght?
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Yes that's the joke.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
Why because they don't say ''genocide'' 20 times? Because they don't repeat Hamas lies in this article? Seems to me that they try to report objectively but maybe that's the problem for people like you.
It's not an uk only thing to be honest, the thing is it's partly based on public vote and the popularity declined over the past 20 years in western europe and increased in the eastern European countries, so then the accusation that eastern European countries ''help each other'' , ''play politics'' etc. is easyly made.
End US support would be a silly mistake but criticism and or acting upon criticism is an different thing and something he might be able to do. Alltough there are a lot of potential democratic voters in the US who then for sure switch to cheeto. While for the other pro palestine side it's a bit different because if you have to choose between cheeto or Biden i think Biden is the better choice to be honest.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
Because they repeat Israeli govt claims without verification, dickhead.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
So? How many times is the claim of at least 30k palestian deaths repeated here? Without any mention of the fact that number also includes Hamas fighters, most estimates going about at least 14k.. so at least 14k of the reported 30k are terrorist, child rapist, murderers, etc. etc. and you lot repeat that 30k as if it all are innocent bystanders or persons baking their cupcakes when the evil isreali empire dumped an precision rocket on their heads...talking about a d!ck move
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Alright, let's go with this...
At the "start" of this conflict, the IDF reckoned Hamas had 30,000 troops in Gaza. So you reckon 15,000 of those have been wiped out according to... whatever estimates you've seen. Considering how restricted access is to the region I can't imagine those numbers have been replenished, so let's say half their army is gone; supplies are dwindling, morale will be f*cked no matter how hopped up on religious fervour and methamphetamine you are...
And yet they're still proving next to impossible for the IDF to deal with?
Sorry, but that doesn't stack up.
And let's be real, if as you've claimed here, Israel is killing one civilian for every Hamas fighter, does the end really justify the means?
I would say very much "no".
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Ian H
Legendary Member
America's experience in Iraq showed that moves to take down a regime and establish a new one must be done in concert, but Netanyahu's insistence to prevent the Palestinian Authority's entry into Gaza prevents any progress
https://www.haaretz.com/news/middle...troubles/0000018f-80e9-d479-afdf-cbedca9b0000
https://www.haaretz.com/news/middle...troubles/0000018f-80e9-d479-afdf-cbedca9b0000
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
Hamas and the other hate group Palestinian resistance or something. had by their own numbers around 40k troops.
Here is an reuters article about those numbers: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...Israeli Prime Minister,been killed in the war.
I wrote 14k btw not 15k that's what you made of it. So reuters calls the Palestinian health authority reliable but the figures they just relied on prove their claim that over 70% are civilian is wrong.
But there is more to say about those reported numbers this is an older article by an professor specializing in statistics :
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
Yeah because in a war all that counts is deaths right? What about the heavily injured, those missing body parts etc. or otherwise not capble to fight, significant amount of them has been arrested and than a other variable, the number of 40k troops could be totally made up, slightly rounded up etc. etc. so your assumption that half their army is gone could correct, or wrong upwards or downwards.
But what you say about morale is simply not in the picture the consistent thing that all prisoners tell is that there is so much fear and violence's put into them that morale doesn't come into play they simply o what their leaders tell them.
If they IDF would stop they efforts to save the civilian populations they would be death in a few hours, they just go all Russia and bomb the whole place, but they don't, they are now surrounded in an small area using civilians as shield. Like the cowards they are. So impossible to deal with is not quite right, but an enemy that has had years of unlimited supplies, time and materials to dig themselves in, build a very advantages tunnel network etc. etc. would be an challenge for any army.
Thanks the UN for that.
Correct it doesn't because your asumptions are wrong as explained above.
I don't recall ever claiming that, but if Isreal did nothing attacks on Isreal would continue, how many raped, murdered etc. jews/Isreali's is acceptable for you? and if it reaches and unacceptable threshold do you expect the Isreali's the send Hamas an letter stating their displeasure or is there a magic number that makes you understand they have to take more violent countermeasures at some point
Indeed if the UN did their job and raised the Alarm instead of endlessly supply Hamas with the tools to build their terror tunnel network this all probably wouldn't have happened in the way it is happening now. I known it's an unpopular opinion on this forum not to say ''Isreal really sucks etc.'' but i think that's to easy. Not to say Isreal is perfect and everything they do is amazing, but claiming it's all on them is wrong, just as it is to claim 'it all on Hamas or the palestinians.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
I've read this a few times now but I can't get past your notion that the IDF are somehow trying to preserve civilian life and haven't gone "all Russia" and flattened large areas which civilians have been told we're safe.
How you can honestly believe that is beyond me..
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