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dutchguylivingintheuk

dutchguylivingintheuk

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glasgowcyclist said:
It’s Israel who is the aggressor.
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They both are but that wasn't the point. If you start shouting ''but they are aggressive too'' after the october 7 attacks for example you kind of deviating from the issue
glasgowcyclist said:
It’s Israel who, for decades, has illegally seized and still occupies land that doesn’t belong to it. It is Israel that confines Palestinians in an open-air prison called Gaza. It’s Israel that restricts their access to medicine, food, water, electricity. It’s Israel that surrounds Gaza with surveillance cameras and AI-controlled machine gun towers.
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They are called borders, this country has them too aided by the fact that is is an island and because we don't have terrorist neighbours we also don't need gun towers and such. But if you go and look past gaza you see that there are more countries where they use these measurements to keep their borders save.
glasgowcyclist said:
It’s Israel that has bombed every university, hospital and school in Gaza.
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Please enlight us how many of those hospitals, university's etc. would still be there if Hamas didn't commit 7 October attacks? i will help you zero, they would all still be there.
glasgowcyclist said:
It’s Israel that fired 355 bullets into an already immobilised car to murder a young girl who was trapped and calling for help. It’s Israel whose snipers executed the brave paramedics who tried to rescue her.
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Isreal or isreal's snipers? or does the palestinians are not hamas think only work when defending terrorist? (yes i do say military is not the same as all isreali's)
glasgowcyclist said:
It’s Israel that sends their citizens into the West Bank to illegally occupy land and homes that aren’t theirs. It’s Israel that distributes assault weapons to these thugs to harass, abuse and kill anyone who resists them. It’s Israel that encourages these occupiers to steal or destroy Palestinian water sources.
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that's indeed something they(isreal) need to be held accountable for
glasgowcyclist said:
It is Israel that is expanding its offensive into Lebanon.
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You forgot to mention Iran bolstered Hezbollah with lots of ammo, artillery's first and Israel responded to continues rocket attacks from Hezbollah, so Hezbollah was the aggresor, it's just they when they provoke Isreal they find out they are just so much stronger.

glasgowcyclist said:
But somehow they’ve convinced you and much of the world that they are the victims.
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Please explain the concept to me where not the victims in europe and elsewhere have their neighborhoods, religious buildings etc. needing extra protection while all the mosques etc. are absolutely fine?

AndyRM said:
Oooh, is this like where you claim posters on here love terrorists, but can never actually manage it?
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I said no such thing.
C R said:
It would do you well read this article by a jewish writer about the cult of October 7th.
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Why because he says something within your alley? Big difference with the like of Hamas of they say something Hamas and the likes don't agree with they get killed.

C R said:
It is funny that your lot complain all the time about minorities playing the victim about historical wrongs and how they should get over it,
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i don't known how to respond to such a gross generalization
C R said:
but when it is the Israeli government doing it then it is fine and dandy.
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i never said anything of approval of the isreali goverment, i think they are part of the problem, doesn't make hamas, hezbollah and Iran more saints do they?
 
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tarric

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While all this has been happening there are some 10,000 UNIFIL personnel in Southern Lebanon they have been there in varying numbers since 1978 (6,000).
They have been tasked with helping the Lebanese Army keep the south of the country protected from "unauthorized armed personnel, such as Hezbollah, so just what have they been doing all this time.
 
BoldonLad

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tarric said:
While all this has been happening there are some 10,000 UNIFIL personnel in Southern Lebanon they have been there in varying numbers since 1978 (6,000).
They have been tasked with helping the Lebanese Army keep the south of the country protected from "unauthorized armed personnel, such as Hezbollah, so just what have they been doing all this time.
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Oh! this could get confusing, two IDFs https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-troops-lebanon
 
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albion

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I cannot help but think that this is what Netanyahu lives for.
The antisemitism thing was a war too so maybe conflict is, for him, permanent.

There is nothing at the horizon whatsoever, ignoring death, death and more deaths.
 
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All uphill

All uphill

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cookiemonster said:
We have to get used to the fact (we shouldn't have to though) that Israel can do whatever the f*ck they want and the dimbass Americans will back them fully.

That's where we are now. :sad:
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Guaranteeing a ready supply of "terrorists" for the next 100 years.

I can't remember who said the American identity depends on having a ready supply of bad guys to hate.
 
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All uphill said:
Guaranteeing a ready supply of "terrorists" for the next 100 years.

I can't remember who said the American identity depends on having a ready supply of bad guys to hate.
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Yup.

Nuttyahoo's desire to destroy Hamas and Hezbollah will end in failure as Israel have just guaranteed a supply of terrorists for the next century, as you mention. Hamas an Hezbollah are not going anywhere, sadly.

However, I also feel for ordinary Israeli's and Jewish people (Israeli and non-Israeli alike) as israeli's will be delaing with Nuttyahoo's war crimes for many years or decades to come and every Jewish person now has a target painted on their back as well.

All of this is just to keep Nuttyahoo's ass out of the slammer.

Your second point is something I've believed for a long time. America needs an enemy. For decades, it was the Soviet Union. Then, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Russia and, currently, China.

The Military Industrial Complex have shareholders to satisy and US politicians to pay off.
 
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Beebo

Beebo

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What is the current life expectancy of a high ranking Hamas official. It must be months rather than years.
 
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