monkers
Legendary Member
That's horrific but it still doesn't make me want to murder their babies and children. I have noted that you're not too LGBT friendly yourself, but I'll let you live.
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That's horrific but it still doesn't make me want to murder their babies and children. I have noted that you're not too LGBT friendly yourself, but I'll let you live.
monkers
Legendary Member
I note your argument that killing gay people, obviously designed to target my emotions as a gay woman, and judge to be horrific. However the killing and maiming of tens thousands of babies and children is carried out be people you describe as ''not angels'.
What horrid and obvious manipulation. You might think you can get away with this bullshit, but I see you, and I see I'm not alone.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
They didn't want either, considering this is daily practice since 2008 when Hamas ''ruled'' Gaza Hamas during all those years didn't stop attacking stealing supplies meant for children that because of their actions died to make rocket launchers, and yet you call isreali's baby killers. What is Hamas and everyone directly or indirectly supporting them then? UNRWA employee? an NGO? an ''independend''''journalist'' from Gaza?
my world does not resolve around you, so no it's not about you. I do not manipulate anything i just said how in i view the situation would be if Hamas didn't start or better said re-ignited the fire on the 7 off October ''23 but they don't care about the babies and victims, it helps their cause they think it's amazing. (their own words the source is somewhere in this topic) So they are the ones you should be blasting for in your words ''horrid and obvious manipulation'' and then @AndyRM come out off the woodworks to say ''we all dislike hamas'' and all is fine again right?
edited to add Oh and Hamas killing gay people and suspected gay people is something they proudly showed on video and their media, that you choose to ignore those facts is on you.
monkers
Legendary Member
I can not iterate to you strongly enough how relieved I am.
Do you not understand the word ''horrific''. These acts devastate me, but you choose to repeat them at me.
The rest was just the usual bollocks of you attempting to disguise what kind of person you are.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
Well believe me if you seen it once it cannot be unseen, but just because you feel something is ''horrific'' i shouldn't say it? Doesn't work that way you claimed it was not an justification to kill babies and children, didn't see you say that just after the 7th of October, guess Jewish babies aren't worth the trouble for you anyway, i indeed felt the need to clarify along with Hamas killing babies and children of mallnutrion and denying them access to clean water, since 2008, their treatment of minorities is also the same since 2008.(here didn't repeat it again happy now?) so if you then write a sentence like ''However the killing and maiming of tens thousands of babies and children is carried out be people you describe as ''not angels'.'' off course i am going to respond i think it horrific to even say that in response to the terrors of Hamas but it's not even remotely comparable, and let me add that too both are beyond comprehension. Especially considering ''not angels'' was relating to football ''supporters'' but the concept if referring to an sub-group seems difficult for some.
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monkers
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No I'm aware that you are deliberately targeting my own protected characteristic in a futile effort to persuade me that on that account I should look away and fail to condemn the most horrific behaviours which we may either video witness in Palestine, or otherwise be aware of from other media.
In a timeframe of some 80 years or so we have witnessed the transition from genocide of Jewish people under the Nazis to the genocide of Palestinian people by the state of Israel and by association Jewish people.
My condemnation is not antisemitism since it is not grounded on basis of the right to religious freedom, but the condemnation of behaviour that is morally reprehensive and offensive to international law.
Your method of persuasion that as gay woman I should forgive the behaviour of the State of Israel to therefore condemn that of Hama is obvious and frankly disgusting.
By the way, I didn't miss the disgusting dehumanising language directed to AndyRM because he doesn't swallow your bullshit.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
WTF, think your special again? You keep on claiming it's one or the other, i said both sides are wrong 200 pages ago. hard concept for you?
And as seen on 7 October if Isreal would let his guard down we would have an new genocide, they would kill all of them.
I never said it was. But i get it if you have nothing to say dazzle with Bullshite right?
WTF First off i think your ''as a gay women'' is very annoying, i really dont care whom you chose to spend your life with and if that someone of the same gender or otherwise. Mean i think it's great is is possible/legal/and nothing special in this country and most of europe.
But to drag it into every discussion?
I was pointing it out because it's kind of relevant when you brand the one country as child killing peanuts and the other as the oasis of peace.(and yes that's what you do if you only focus on one side of the terror) Reality is they are both children and baby killing peanuts, but Isreal is still a somewhat functioning soceity and Gaza under Hamas is just plain terror. especially for minority's children and babies.
your point?
You known that most of the people shouting ''free palestine'' during those protest don't have a clue what it means either right?
monkers
Legendary Member
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glasgowcyclist
Über Member
Hey @dutchguylivingintheuk , do you agree that Israel is an occupier in Gaza and the West Bank?
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
i'm not going to respond to questions like that.
Sure everyone is crazy except for you right? must be nice living in your own echo chamber
glasgowcyclist
Über Member
Don’t you like the framing, or is it something else?
You can express your stance on Israel/Gaza/West Bank however you like, if you don’t like the way I’ve put the question. I’m interested in how you view it.
monkers
Legendary Member
No I see your discomfort with the questions posed especially the last one by @glasgowcyclist.
My position is that I wish there was no reason for Hamas to exist, or otherwise for them to have worldwide attention. It exists exactly for the reason that there are terrible human right abuses perpetrated by the State of Israel upon its neighbours.
You see, I recognise cause and effect whenever I see it.