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monkers

Legendary Member
Dutch bullshitter said


It's what actual real fascists do. I see you.

Sure everyone is crazy except for you right? must be nice living in your own echo chamber

No I see your discomfort with the questions posed especially the last one by @glasgowcyclist.

My position is that I wish there was no reason for Hamas to exist, or otherwise for them to have worldwide attention. It exists exactly for the reason that there are terrible human right abuses perpetrated by the State of Israel upon its neighbours.

You see, I recognise cause and effect whenever I see it.
 

bobzmyunkle

Senior Member
Here's an opportunity for @dutchguylivingintheuk

Friday 29th November is the UN International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. Throughout that week we will be taking actions in parliament, in our workplaces, our schools and universities, and in the streets.
On Friday 29th itself, we need you to put up our new poster in your window, to show that you stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people. Will you help to take our message into every street, neighbourhood and community?
Make sure to share a photo of your poster in your window with your social media networks – tag us on @palestinesolidarityuk (Instagram) / @pscupdates (Twitter).
Find out how you can get involved in the week of action to mark the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.
 
Don’t you like the framing, or is it something else?

You can express your stance on Israel/Gaza/West Bank however you like, if you don’t like the way I’ve put the question. I’m interested in how you view it.
I' not your sock puppet, i respond if i want to, not because you demand it.

No I see your discomfort with the questions posed especially the last one by @glasgowcyclist.
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those pills the doctor gave you are a bit too strong you start to be seeing things that aren't there.
My position is that I wish there was no reason for Hamas to exist, or otherwise for them to have worldwide attention. It exists exactly for the reason that there are terrible human right abuses perpetrated by the State of Israel upon its neighbours.

You see, I recognise cause and effect whenever I see it.
There is no reason for Hamas to exist. They don't have an achievable goal and they certainly don't have the Palestinians best interest in mind. Arafat/plo was the best chance they had but they have failed to also in terms of providing for their people. Something the other side (as whether you like it or not there are two sides) did remarking better.) So much that despite being treated like 3rd class citizens in Isreal as soon as Isreal opens registration for Palestinians to move to Israel again the lines always close very quickly due to the high demand.(despite the obvious risks


Here's an opportunity for @dutchguylivingintheuk
Nope it is not, wouldn't do similar for Isreal either to be honest.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
those pills the doctor gave you are a bit too strong you start to be seeing things that aren't there.

When everyone is telling you that what you are thinking is bizarre, you might just need to reflect on whether the problem is you.

In the spirt of helping you with this question - it is bizarre.
 
When everyone is telling you that what you are thinking is bizarre, you might just need to reflect on whether the problem is you.

In the spirt of helping you with this question - it is bizarre.
In the spirit of helping you, have you ever reflected on your own post? particularly on the fact almost anyone who has an clear difference of opinion with you is sooner or later either called ''fascist'' ,''illiterate's'' , ''you claim they read something wrong'' all the while there have been many thorough post showing you are wrong and in the end the problem is always the other, have you have considered the problem might just be you, and engaging in discussions while in reality you're not capable of accepting any criticsism might not be the best idea on a discussion forum?
 
In the spirit of helping you, have you ever reflected on your own post? particularly on the fact almost anyone who has an clear difference of opinion with you is sooner or later either called ''fascist'' ,''illiterate's'' , ''you claim they read something wrong'' all the while there have been many thorough post showing you are wrong and in the end the problem is always the other, have you have considered the problem might just be you, and engaging in discussions while in reality you're not capable of accepting any criticsism might not be the best idea on a discussion forum?

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Psamathe

Regular
There is no reason for Hamas to exist.
In which case why did Netanyahu support Hamas for so long. Widely reported through multiple sources
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/
etc., etc.

I have a strong suspicion that such focus on Hamas wont provide any long term solution. "Hamas" is a word, of far greater importance is the underlying sentiment across the population. Destroy Hamas and, in the current climate it wont take long for people to take up arms and to come up with another name for their movement.

Ian
 

monkers

Legendary Member
In the spirit of helping you, have you ever reflected on your own post? particularly on the fact almost anyone who has an clear difference of opinion with you is sooner or later either called ''fascist'' ,''illiterate's'' , ''you claim they read something wrong'' all the while there have been many thorough post showing you are wrong and in the end the problem is always the other, have you have considered the problem might just be you, and engaging in discussions while in reality you're not capable of accepting any criticsism might not be the best idea on a discussion forum?

You are hilarious.

Immigrants turn up in number to a territory, and soon there is expansion. Treaties made and broken. An illegal occupation of territory protected by treaty turns to genocide by caging people in, cutting off their water supplies, food supplies, medicine supplies. Hospitals, schools, and universities destroyed, housing destroyed, civilians including children killed and maimed by missile attacks. Amputations being carried out on children without anaesthetics. Hettynahnu subject to an international arrest warrant for crimes against humanity.

And the Dutch guy says ''not angels''. Look over there, they are the really bad people. If you disagree with me you are either crawling 'out of the woodwork' or on drugs.

When faced with a simple and reasonable question collapses into not answering a question because he knows his rights. Unbelievable.
 
You are hilarious.
I think you're funnier to be honest

Immigrants turn up in number to a territory, and soon there is expansion. Treaties made and broken. An illegal occupation of territory protected by treaty turns to genocide by caging people in, cutting off their water supplies, food supplies, medicine supplies. Hospitals, schools, and universities destroyed, housing destroyed, civilians including children killed and maimed by missile attacks. Amputations being carried out on children without anaesthetics. Hettynahnu subject to an international arrest warrant for crimes against humanity.
Isreali's living in Gaza before where forcefully moved to make room for Hamas, which the palestinians had elected. Isreal left it completely self-sustainable and the first thing Hamas did was destroying that, and the UN played their part in showing little children die-ing of malnutrition without mentioning the crimes Hamas had done to create this situation.
All because like the i believe meanwhile send to hell spokesperson off Hamas said something like ''isreali's love life, Palestinians love to matyr themselves. Off course not mentioning that those people deliberately moved to buildings that where about to be bombed did that while there where machine guns pointed at them.. This all happened under the UN's nose sometimes in their schools even and only now they manage to charge an Hamas figure who is most likely burning in Hell anyway.
I mean i would be the last one to call isreal's actions good or proportionate but the bigger picture is it was always going to come like this, Hamas could and would have known how Israel would respond and that was a price they where willing to pay, all their officials feel safe in Qatar and they do not care about Palestinians lives anyway, so why is nobody upset with Hamas? Hell during all those protest there seems to be more are pro-Hamas stance than anything else.


And the Dutch guy says ''not angels''. Look over there, they are the really bad people. If you disagree with me you are either crawling 'out of the woodwork' or on drugs.
Once again like i said above when someone doesn't agree with you you turn nasty or sour or both. or maybe it's just how you are, but there is something like context, i said ''not angels'' about the ''football supporters''. Thats in which context i used it and you make it sound like i said that about Isreali's in general i did not .
When faced with a simple and reasonable question collapses into not answering a question because he knows his rights. Unbelievable.
I have answered that question multiple times, but you seem to known the answer to that question while @glasgowcyclist clearly says the answer doesn't matter so please explain how you known a answer to a question somebody else asked better than person who asked that question.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
I'll give you one thing @dutchguylivingintheuk, your commitment to writing utter sh!te from a position that was barely even credible to start with is quite something.

I'd say keep digging, but that point was reached and breached some time ago. You must be nearly at the earth's core by now.
 

glasgowcyclist

Über Member
I have answered that question multiple times, but you seem to known the answer to that question while @glasgowcyclist clearly says the answer doesn't matter


I did not say that your answer does not matter. I said, "It doesn’t matter whether anyone likes it or not". You keep doing this thing of attributing things to people that they did not say. Please stop it.

Secondly, if you've answered the question "multiple times", I don't understand why you don't point me to that answer instead of saying you don't respond to questions like that.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
I'll give you one thing @dutchguylivingintheuk, your commitment to writing utter sh!te from a position that was barely even credible to start with is quite something.

I'd say keep digging, but that point was reached and breached some time ago. You must be nearly at the earth's core by now.

I think you are being a bit unfair, I hear he has one of those hats with corks hanging from the brim now. 😊
 
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