I've never visited the Netherlands and so I do not know too much about Amsterdam. However I doubt that I need to know Amsterdam to know that bigots who harass muslims are also likely to harass other minority groups including the ones that you mention.
minorities in Isreal indeed don't have a great position, mind you still better then under Hamas because Hamas drags them behind a motorcycle until they die. Something with them thinking their prophet thinks it's ''haram'' to be gay are anything in the lbtq whatever letters we are at the moment. So if they are not harrasing jews they are harrassing gays, there is an report that says so the the council of Amsterdam ignored that. A report that say muslims hate gays can't be correct right?
There's plenty of footage to show that thugs targeted people who were carrying Palestinian flags, including thugs wrapped in blue with the Star of Saint David.
Yes the ''but they started tape has been played grey on this topic'' with some going back to 1953 because of the sheer lack of arguments.
However the point still stays if 7 October never happened, the Palestinians would still be opressed by the Hamas terror movement and everything was like it was before 7 October, so we can all pretend is ok in the west the UNRWA could still pretend they are an humatarian organization Hamas could get even richer from their drugs trade and more children would die because of malnutrition but nobody gives a fark because see no evil hear no evil right?
I also know that there other groups outside of the Muslim / Jew binary who will just join in with the violence.
I also know that there will people in the area not wishing to be involved beyond being lawful football supporters.
So what? the few exceptions does not change the general intention.
I've been reading Dutch media and can't find them either.
Maybe
@dutchguylivingintheuk has them from chatter on the Web.
Defending terrorist makes you blind clearly:
Halsema geeft geen nieuwe informatie over het totale aantal arrestaties: voor, tijdens en na de wedstrijd zijn 62 mensen aangehouden: 49 personen die in Nederland wonen, 10 die afkomstig zijn uit Israël. Daarnaast zijn via camerabeelden nog eens 5 verdachten opgepakt wegens openlijke geweldpleging.
it says they arrested 10 people who are from Isreal
fromt this link:
https://www.parool.nl/amsterdam/hal...en-om-giftige-cocktail-te-bedwingen~b07bdbd8/
Don't forget you reading glasses before you claim it was from ''chatter on the web''
You didn’t. I quoted what you said, which was that the flags had been conveniently placed there.
The one I showed you in my reply wasn’t conveniently placed. It’s been there for over a year and can be seen in the same spot on Google street view long before the Israeli thugs visited.
nit-picking
And if people hung flags prior to the date of the game, so what? Israelis can’t keep blaming others for their own crimes, even if it’s what they’re used to getting away with.
How many Isreali flags would have been destroyed if they similarly placed them everywhere during an pro-palestina protest? Exactly, the one group is not that much better then the other.
Commentary from many UK reporters based in Israel is that Israeli media are not publicising the plight of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, so much of the Israeli population is in an echo chamber fairly unaware of atrocities and probable war crimes.
Uk media also doesn't paint the full picture,(news in general) they also try to build an narrative, but in Isreal they have internet too you know?
Having said that, we also have to look at how things are going and then we can say that Isreal is more democratic than it's neighbours, but still it's not what we are expected and see as democracy here in Europe. And also something western Media isn't covering, there are demostrations against Nethanyahu, Isreal is suffering from a brain-drain(which was already happening before 7 October) and the current generation will suffer from this war for years.
War is hell it places and enormous burden on every parties involved.
So to say it's an Echo chamber no i don't agree, i also don't say that every action isreal has taken or is going to take is great, i think there are quite a few disputable actions from their site to put it mildly. But if you look at isrealy english written media of media with an english page there are quite a fe difference in tone, way of reporting etc. just as we have the daily fail here with a completely different tone than bbc news.
So adding a few flags to demonstrate local opinion seems a reasonable and peaceful way to highlight issues and local sentiment. Nothing that should provoke flag burning, attacking a taxi, "we will fark the Arabs", etc.
From reports I've seen I suspect the Israeli football fans provoked exactly what they intended.
Ian
Some find it reasonable and peacefull to demostrate against a mosque to put pieces of streaky bacon on the floor, yet the reaction from some angry mops is seldom peacefull, and then there is a other point too, and that the point that not all Maccabi supporters burned those flags or scant those slogans, but all of them where targeted, where is the justice in that?
A bit less than 'lots' then?
it never enough is it?
