Israel / Palestine

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Really,

it's war. At least a warning was given.

Yeah you can post all kind of facts, they keep on saying it's Isreals fault

Did the innocent Israeli people get the same warning before Hamas went on a murdering spree?

No they got bullets, yet there is more outrage about a hospital being hit by those same murderers if they can blame it on Isreal.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Kinell. I'd hate to see it when you weren't trying.

then i wouldn't be posting, something you should try, just go do something else if you have nothing to say.. considering your post history might as well log-out

 

[Ian H]

Is it? Maybe you look at what your hoping to see,

And possibly I don't. Is your reading comprehension much in advance of your literacy, in English?

 

[winjim]

Really,

it's war. At least a warning was given.

Did the innocent Israeli people get the same warning before Hamas went on a murdering spree?

Yeah you can post all kind of facts, they keep on saying it's Isreals fault

I thought you said it was a Palestinian rocket. If that was the case then they wouldn't get a warning would they? As far as I can tell Andy is suggesting that it was indeed an Israeli airstrike but he's fine with it.

 

[matticus]

Interesting conclusions about the hospital being discussed depending on which evidence you look at.

Analysis of Israeli propaganda tends to lean heavily towards an Israeli airstrike. Analysis of the damage now daylight has come tends to lean heavily towards a Palestinian rocket misfire.

How's that for balance?

Yes, OK, good balance - job at the Beeb awaits!

I cannot be arsed in looking into the 2nd bit of analysis*, but I did dig around the [bold] first:
Did you find any primary sources? The closest I got was the Israeli activist/journo/whatever who claimed to be spreading the news he saw on Reuters, and within 10 minutes deleted his tweet with an apology. Everyone else (a lot of people) are just re-re-quoting "someone" on the Israeli side. It's obviously a very reasonable version of events to believe without questioning [see Claudine's Razor upthread]; but that doesn't make it true.


*I try to avoid the people on the internet who are experts in rockets, trajectories, craters, blood spatter, calibres ...

 

[AuroraSaab]

And possibly I don't. Is your reading comprehension much in advance of your literacy, in English?

Which foreign languages can you write at length, fairly fluently in, off the cuff, probably on your phone whilst also working, Ian?

 

[AndyRM]

Which foreign languages can you write at length, fairly fluently in, off the cuff, probably on your phone whilst also working, Ian?

Why does that matter?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Because Ian is sarcastically taking someone to task over their literacy who is a foreign language speaker/writer, who mostly does pretty well in writing at length on here. It's Naca though so par for the course I suppose.

 

[C R]

Why does that matter?

It does to a certain extent. Your native language determines to a large extent how you express your thoughts, and it takes a long time to get used to express your thoughts in the structure that a second language requires.

I am not a native English speaker, and I often catch myself having to rethink how I am going to say something. It often happens that certain expressions with an obvious meaning in a certain language can't be translated literally, and I think to an extent that is what we are seeing here, the words are being translated, but not their meaning.

 

[C R]

This is epic

View: https://twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/status/1714534404742131733

 

[bobzmyunkle]

For someone who doesn't care about Jews being killed that's indeed an expected course of action

the words are being translated, but not their meaning.

I think we can get the gist of where @dutchguylivingintheuk is coming from.

 

[C R]

I think we can get the gist of where @dutchguylivingintheuk is coming from.

I don't think I've ever agreed with anything of what he says, I'm just pointing out the reason for how he says it.

 

[winjim]

Yes, OK, good balance - job at the Beeb awaits!

I cannot be arsed in looking into the 2nd bit of analysis*, but I did dig around the [bold] first:
Did you find any primary sources? The closest I got was the Israeli activist/journo/whatever who claimed to be spreading the news he saw on Reuters, and within 10 minutes deleted his tweet with an apology. Everyone else (a lot of people) are just re-re-quoting "someone" on the Israeli side. It's obviously a very reasonable version of events to believe without questioning [see Claudine's Razor upthread]; but that doesn't make it true.


*I try to avoid the people on the internet who are experts in rockets, trajectories, craters, blood spatter, calibres ...

Oh yeah, it's a fantastic exercise in bias as that tweet was deleted either because it was correct, or because it was incorrect, depending on your preconceptions. The other analysis seems based on either discrediting footage of alleged rocket launches or looking at Israeli communication through the night and how it fits into previous patterns of propaganda.

I quite like the nerdy OSINT guys.

 

[newfhouse]

Really,

it's war. At least a warning was given.

Did the innocent Israeli people get the same warning before Hamas went on a murdering spree?

The logical conclusion of that line of argument is that had the Israelis been warned you'd be cool about what happened to them.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

I don't think I've ever agreed with anything of what he says, I'm just pointing out the reason for how he says it.

Fair enough. Do you think his inability to comprehend others works in a similar way? Saying others don't care about the deaths of Jews is just another attempt to demonise any criticism of Israel in my view. I have to assume he fully understands what he's doing.