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qigong chimp

Settler of gobby hash.
Gosh, the world is a complicated place, isn't it. If only the leader of the UK opposition could command other countries to bend to his will.

Well quite. He's hardly influential so can take a morally sound position without realpolitik jeopardy, no?

I doubt losing your vote will dent the impending Labour landslide.
 

Ian H

Legendary Member
And how has All The Grown Ups Say They Want a Two-State Solution worked out so far?

This appears to be an even-handed account of the history of the two-state solution.
https://theconversation.com/oslo-ac...-solution-seems-further-away-than-ever-213003
...For Israel and Palestine, the optimism present in 1993 was to dissipate with rising violence. Within three years we saw the assassination of Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin by a Jewish terrorist, the massacre of Muslims while praying in Hebron by an Israeli settler and Hamas suicide terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians in February and March 1996. By May 1996 the Israeli government that had negotiated the Oslo accords had been defeated at the polls by Benjamin Netanyahu who announced he would “lower Palestinian expectations”...
 

multitool

Pharaoh
You still seem to be arguing that because his influence is limited - but I hope you’d agree significantly greater than yours or mine - he shouldn’t say anything meaningful or critical at all.

Not at all. I'm responding to Claud's post.

If you take her implication that calls for TSS have failed, then why would you expect a call for anything else to work?
 
If you take her implication that calls for TSS have failed, then why would you expect a call for anything else to work?

The failure is at least partly caused by the major western powers failing to hold Israel to account. I accept that the regimes in Russia / Iran / Syria and probably others don’t see peace as beneficial either.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Anyway, while you guys have been hard at the keyboard, I've been out making my voice heard

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multitool

Pharaoh
Just for the record and in case any of you are tempted to believe the bullshìt on twitter, the chants were: "Free Palestine", " Israel is a terror state" and "Palestine". No indication of anything hateful or anti-semitic, no placards relating to Jews or Israelis, lots of banners from city unions etc.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Well done for being a better person than Sunak and Starmer.

I have the luxury of not being the next PM, cr.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Well quite. He's hardly influential so can take a morally sound position without realpolitik jeopardy, no?

He's in that bizarre position of currently having little international voice but in 12 months will be in the top 10 of regionally influential people.
 

Milzy

Well-Known Member
Oh, I'm sorry. Please give me another chance. I'll try and post something really incisive. Right, here it comes. Ready?

"Hi, I’d just like to point out that Isreal have been playing the victims for a long time now. They were under genocide from the Nazis so should know better. What they’re doing inside Gaza is genocide yet we in the West are meant to be supporting this? Disgusting."

Will that do?
I’ll let you have that, decent post. I’ve got some new material to make your eyes roll coming soon. It’s about what other Arabs think of Palestinians and how many say they’re not seen as real Arabs. Yes many in Saudi Arabia actually are on the side of the Jews. Who would have thought it?
 

fozy tornip

At the controls of my private jet.
He's in that bizarre position of currently having little international voice but in 12 months will be in the top 10 of regionally influential people.

I get it. He can renege to the British public on commitments without number, but daren't risk having to defend mercy to the Israeli government at some unspecified future date. Who is he hoping to represent?

The man's a disgrace.
 
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