Martin Luther King and soup protests

[Rusty Nails]

Wrt to peaceful protests I am definitely with Kurt Vonnegut in post #63 above.

These "harmless" protests have the counter-effect of over-shadowing the cause imo. It becomes all about the protesters.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Wrt to peaceful protests I am definitely with Kurt Vonnegut in post #63 above.

These "harmless" protests have the counter-effect of over-shadowing the cause imo. It becomes all about the protesters.

Sometimes the only way is direct action...Love Vonnegut but it's more about the point of the Artists would be right behind this ! It's not like anything has been harmed in there protests.Its getting noticed and that's what matters.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Sometimes the only way is direct action...Love Vonnegut but it's more about the point of the Artists would be right behind this ! It's not like anything has been harmed in there protests.Its getting noticed and that's what matters.

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I thought the point of Vonnegut's quote was that they got noticed but it didn't matter for all the effect it had on stopping the war.

 

[Deleted member 49]

I thought the point of Vonnegut's quote was that they got noticed but it didn't matter for all the effect it had on stopping the war.

Yea it was....and for all the good it did !
So this as a peaceful protest has to be worth a try...I mean we're talking about the destruction of the planet.Im sure the Artists would be on side.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Yea it was....and for all the good it did !
So this as a peaceful protest has to be worth a try...I mean we're talking about the destruction of the planet.Im sure the Artists would be on side.

Anything is worth a try. Even if it proves fruitless in hindsight.

 

[newfhouse]

These "harmless" protests have the counter-effect of over-shadowing the cause imo. It becomes all about the protesters.

Gandhi’s salt march was a deliberate publicity stunt.

 

[qigong chimp]

These "harmless" protests have the counter-effect of over-shadowing the cause imo. It becomes all about the protesters.

Can you name a single 'Just Stop Oil' or 'Insulate Britain' protester (without Googling)?

They seem wholly anonymous and self-effacing in support of their causes, so much so that it's hard to imagine how you could be more wrong.

 

[theclaud]

Anything is worth a try. Even if it proves fruitless in hindsight.

Not everything that fails to achieve its immediate or conscious objective is therefore 'fruitless'.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Gandhi’s salt march was a deliberate publicity stunt.

That comparison has really made me change my mind.

The similarities and the context are uncanny.

 

[qigong chimp]

Gandhi’s salt march was a deliberate publicity stunt.

Yeah, and as usual it was poorly paid lower-caste health workers had to do all the suturing and bone-setting and bandaging.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Can you name a single 'Just Stop Oil' or 'Insulate Britain' protester (without Googling)?

They seem wholly anonymous and self-effacing in support of their causes, so much so that it's hard to imagine how you could be more wrong.

It is about making them, as copycat protesters, not as anonymous individuals, the issue.

I have no quarrels at all with their genuine care for their cause, just doubt the effectiveness of this particular form of protest in furthering that cause.

Only time will tell.

 

[newfhouse]

That comparison has really made me change my mind.

You’re welcome.

The similarities and the context are uncanny.

A mass movement of people willing to be arrested for non-violent acts of civil disobedience to further perfectly reasonable political aims? Definite parallels.

 

[qigong chimp]

Time? What time do you think we have?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Not everything that fails to achieve its immediate or conscious objective is therefore 'fruitless'.

The problem is that only with hindsight will you know whether it was fruitful, fruitless...or even fruitlimited.

On the positive side, I believe there could be an element of ongoing motivation and morale for the protesters to help them continue to fight for their cause.

 

[Rusty Nails]

A mass movement of people willing to be arrested for non-violent acts of civil disobedience to further perfectly reasonable political aims? Definite parallels.

A handful of people willing to be arrested for non-violent acts of minor vandalism to further perfectly reasonable political aims. The parallels are uncanny. Especially the scale of hardships/penalties experienced by the protesters.