Noisy protests

[The Crofted Crest]

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[mudsticks]

What is plenty? With which i mean, how many requested protest are actually allowed vs being rejected and that compared to protest of other political directions. In the town here one was allowed last year vs i believe about 10 request opposed to at least 10 left leaning protest.
i did'nt count climate change etc. but just political ones
Yes they mostly are very pathetic and i understand those counterprotestors partly, alltough the organised ''anti-fascist'' are just as bad. But if we are a democracy their right to be saddo's with 30ish must be respected.
and if counterprotests lead to violence what it often does maybe they should not allow those to happens that where it goes wrong most of the time.



i don't say i feel for them or whatever but it is my point if you don't defend democracy for them it eventually erodes the system, and we have seen that, it started with counterprotest, now we see it at universities one group of students don't agree with the speaker so they harras and harras until the speaker is cancelled and the end result is less democracy, further erosion.


Nope not those, that also was violence from both sides, and where more like the hooligans' they normally have the riot vans ready for probably bored out of their minds due to lockdowns, it not a returning thing ''protecting statues''

However what you do now does show the issue, i get it you don't like persons like that, me neither but you starting to talk down on them immediately, what i have seen from them it's really not needed but it's also part of the erosion i talked about earlier, we starting to see those as less and although some/most of their mindset leans on seeing others as less it doesn't mean it's helpful nor usefull if society copies that.




Many examples across Europe in the us but to keep it local, in my town they have been 10 request for (far) right protest and only one of them was approved the amount of leftish protest is at least 10 being held, not sure how many where requested.

Ok so you want to us to pretend to have respect for the views and actions of these neo Nazis.

Otherwise we 'degrade' society .??

I'd say that being called to 'respect' such odious views, and behaviours, devalues, and in fact degrades any notion of the concept of 'respect'..

 

[AndyRM]

I highly doubt that.


never used the block button but you make it really tempting.

They really are.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Y

Surely the ideal outcome is to persuade everyone to love you and immediately support your cause!

You old romantic, you....

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Ok so you want to us to pretend to have respect for the views and actions of these neo Nazis.

Otherwise we 'degrade' society .??

I'd say that being called to 'respect' such odious views, and behaviours, devalues, and in fact degrades any notion of the concept of 'respect'..

No i never said respect, but respecting an free and open society is something else then respecting whatever the protest is for.

 

[mudsticks]

No i never said respect, but respecting an free and open society is something else then respecting whatever the protest is for.

Yup well I'm totally down with respecting and even working towards the ideals of a 'free and open society'

That would be a lot easier to achieve without the views and actions of nasty far right racist knuckleheads who try to spread violent and hateful ignorance.

So with your permission, I'll carry on disrespecting neonazis .
🌈👍🏼

 

[mudsticks]

 

[Ian H]

Far right-ish movements have been subjected to all kinds of harassments for years, often by so called ''anti-fascist'' the police and authorities never seems to be able to manage this although it's quite and small and voilent group who always disturbers those loonies authorities often find it more convenient to curb the freedom of those far right voices instead out off ''security concerns'' .
So currently protest apparently stop at the point where the opposing unannounced violent and the protest are far right.
Other way round the Police does seem all of the sudden have the power to control those, and protect the far leftish protest. if it doesn't turn into far-right vs anti-fascist or far-left's fighting squad.

So protest that ''they'' approve off is already happening, the ''they'' might not be the one's that should make those decisions i think it should be an democratic right like the law says it is, but it isn't and it has been for some time. I don't agree with any far right persons but i do thing their right to protest should matter, but it doesn't and it doesn't matter for a majority of the people and that's why we have this discussion now, if you only care about democracy when it suits you it will erode sooner or later.

I seem to recall that witnesses state most violence is initiated by right-wing protestors. And of course by the police against left protests and picket-lines.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I seem to recall that witnesses state most violence is initiated by right-wing protestors. And of course by the police against left protests and picket-lines.

I don't know where you get that from, but as a general rule i'm very sure it's wrong.

 

[AndyRM]

I don't know where you get that from, but as a general rule i'm very sure it's wrong.

Have you ever actually been to a protest/march? For either the left or the right?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Have you ever actually been to a protest/march? For either the left or the right?

Jup both volumtary and unvolumtary, in this country and other the picture is always the same, the media always writes it's the right that is soo evil, but exeptions there (there are some pretty violent right wing groups) it's more often sad looking right wingers being attacked by left counter protest most commonly known as ''anti fascist'' who in turn often thing left wing mass killer and communist are the greatest of all time.

 

[Mugshot]

I don't know where you get that from, but as a general rule i'm very sure it's wrong.

Andy Ngo fan huh?

 

[FishFright]

I don't know where you get that from, but as a general rule i'm very sure it's wrong.

I think he may have got that from the number of nasty right wing protests. Where did you find the general rule ?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I think he may have got that from the number of nasty right wing protests. Where did you find the general rule ?

in your @rse, a bit tight but with a bit of stretching, which you seem to be good at considering how you seem to be master at stretching the meaning of words

 

[FishFright]

in your @rse, a bit tight but with a bit of stretching, which you seem to be good at considering how you seem to be master at stretching the meaning of words

So you made it up again ?