Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Rusty Nails]

I know, I know, and make cordial from the elderflowers, skin the wabbits to make a westcoat, weave my own yoghurt from freshly pressed vegans, and make magic potions to cure all manner of ailments from plantain and cleaver juices .

Meanwhile, I really love the fact that other people make high quality, drinkable beer, and am more than happy to pay them to do that..

You don't? That's all my illusions smashed to pieces.

 

[mudsticks]

You don't? That's all my illusions smashed to pieces.

Sorree...

I did used to do a whole lot more of that kind of stuff..
It can be very time consuming.

But I like to support other skilled artisans in their endeavours nowadays..

There's nearly always someone about the place though, fermenting this, or pickling that..
I'm quite happy just to be an appreciative audience..

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

The industry is constantly telling us that isn't lack of labour, EU or otherwise. It is lack of time to train the staff, it takes 8-10 weeks, and so it doesn't matter how many staff they have, they didn't prepare for teh training because of Covid.

So, this is not a Brexit thing, it is definitely a Covid thing.

Obviously if this doesn't suit your narrative, feel free to simply carry on saying it is Brexit.

Wizzair (whoever they are) don't seem to agree. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ocial&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1654679958-1

 

[Craig the cyclist]

But it is Brexit. That's been proven over and over again.

People spent years telling people to 'Go back to where they came from,' now these same people complain about lack of staff in many industries, including aviation, because they all went home.

That def doesn't suit your narrative.

Schipol Airport in Amsterdam has been having huge struggles of an identical nature.

Is that because of Brexit too?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Schipol Airport in Amsterdam has been having huge struggles of an identical nature.

Is that because of Brexit too?

That is one airport. Is there a bigger or more widespread problem in UK airports than in the EU?

There are staffing issues due to Covid and the airports' treatment of their staff during the lockdowns across the EU, but the UK is also saddled with the staffing issues arising from Brexit...which incidentally gave EU airports an added staff recruitment base of people with airport experience who did not/could not want to return to the UK.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

That is one airport. Is there a bigger or more widespread problem in UK airports than in the EU?

There are staffing issues due to Covid and the airports' treatment of their staff during the lockdowns across the EU, but the UK is also saddled with the staffing issues arising from Brexit...which incidentally gave EU airports an added staff recruitment base of people with airport experience who did not/could not want to return to the UK.

Is 2/3 of EU airports enough? That is more than 1 isn't it? But keep going that it is all Brexit when it clearly isn't!

https://www.euronews.com/travel/202...-airports-this-summer-top-industry-body-warns

 

[Rusty Nails]

1. If you read my post you will see that I never said it was  all Brexit. Covid is a factor and that will apply across the whole of the EU and UK, causing disruption, and which will be exacerbated by Brexit.

2. I was not talking about forecasts, where every country will face problems, but actual problems that have happened and are happening now. Schipol also has specific problems of its own.
https://www.euronews.com/travel/202...-airport-after-hellish-weekend-for-travellers

Some people who actually know the industry disagree with you:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...lamed the,blighting travel plans and holidays.

The bosses if British Airways, EasyJet and Jet2 have also blamed some of the staff shortage problems on Brexit, but keep going that the UK problems are nothing to do with Brexit.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

1. If you read my post you will see that I never said it was  all Brexit. Covid is a factor and that will apply across the whole of the EU and UK, causing disruption, and which will be exacerbated by Brexit.

But @cookiemonster did, and I was replying to his post, see below.

But it is Brexit. That's been proven over and over again.

Some people who actually know the industry disagree with you:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...lamed the,blighting travel plans and holidays.

Just to be clear, I didn't write that article, so it isn't me they are disagreeing with, it is other people who also know the industry, but from a more european perspective. See it is easy, and lazy, to blame everything on Brexit, the rest of the continent (world) are going through the same thing, and they have not had a Brexit.

 

[BoldonLad]

1. If you read my post you will see that I never said it was  all Brexit. Covid is a factor and that will apply across the whole of the EU and UK, causing disruption, and which will be exacerbated by Brexit.

2. I was not talking about forecasts, where every country will face problems, but actual problems that have happened and are happening now. Schipol also has specific problems of its own.
https://www.euronews.com/travel/202...-airport-after-hellish-weekend-for-travellers

Some people who actually know the industry disagree with you:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wizz-boss-blames-air-travel-disruption-on-brexit-g6hv87q85#:~:text=Wizz Air has blamed the,blighting travel plans and holidays.

The bosses if British Airways, EasyJet and Jet2 have also blamed some of the staff shortage problems on Brexit, but keep going that the UK problems are nothing to do with Brexit.

While I agree with you, the airport/airline problems are probably due to a combination of Covid and Brexit:

The combined staff shortages at the two Paris airports (Charles de Gaul and Orly, is estimated at 4,000, presumably, that cannot be blamed on Brexit.

I voted Remain, so, I am not supporting Brexit, but, if a problem is to be solved, the first step, is, surely, to identify the actual problem.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Is 2/3 of EU airports enough? That is more than 1 isn't it? But keep going that it is all Brexit when it clearly isn't!

https://www.euronews.com/travel/202...-airports-this-summer-top-industry-body-warns

There's staffing shortages all over Europe,not just Airports.I was reading recently the tourism industry in Spain is short of 100,000 staff ! Can't recruit people although I'm guessing if they paid a decent wage the posts would get filled 🙄
Can we blame it all on Brexit ? No but a lot of staff/crew were from Europe so I'm guessing there's obstacles to re hiring from Europe.....that and the low wages there paying.
Now only if there was some sort of organisation we could join which would make it easier to employ people to fill those vacancies 🙄

 

[Rusty Nails]

But @cookiemonster did, and I was replying to his post, see below.



Just to be clear, I didn't write that article, so it isn't me they are disagreeing with, it is other people who also know the industry, but from a more european perspective. See it is easy, and lazy, to blame everything on Brexit, the rest of the continent (world) are going through the same thing, and they have not had a Brexit.

You specifically responded to me with "but keep going that it is all about Brexit".

Nobody is disagreeing that Covid is a problem that will affect all countries' airports, not just the UK, but you seem unable to accept that Brexit also plays a part in worsening the UK airports' staff shortages that other countries do not have to contend with, despite industry expert opinions.

You are the one who is blinkered in this particular debate.

 

[BoldonLad]

There's staffing shortages all over Europe,not just Airports.I was reading recently the tourism industry in Spain is short of 100,000 staff ! Can't recruit people although I'm guessing if they paid a decent wage the posts would get filled 🙄
Can we blame it all on Brexit ? No but a lot of staff/crew were from Europe so I'm guessing there's obstacles to re hiring from Europe.....that and the low wages there paying.
Now only if there was some sort of organisation we could join which would make it easier to employ people to fill those vacancies 🙄

By Europe, do you meant the EU Countries of Europe?

If no, then, what has Brexit got to do with it?

If yes, then, if their "home" countries are short of staff in various industries, why would those people come here to work, rather than stay in their 'home" Country (higher pay, cheaper cost of living, perhaps, no, cannot be that, Tories have forced wages down and raised cost of living).

I am not supporting Brexit, but, let us not blame it for everything, maybe this years crap summer is down to Brexit too?

 

[Rusty Nails]

While I agree with you, the airport/airline problems are probably due to a combination of Covid and Brexit:

The combined staff shortages at the two Paris airports (Charles de Gaul and Orly, is estimated at 4,000, presumably, that cannot be blamed on Brexit.

I voted Remain, so, I am not supporting Brexit, but, if a problem is to be solved, the first step, is, surely, to identify the actual problem.

The problems are primarily due to staff shortages. That is due to Covid and the air companies' problems in re-hiring staff.
A solution to staff shortages is recruitment, and that is where we are at more of a disadvantage than the rest of the world because of Brexit.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I am not supporting Brexit, but, let us not blame it for everything, maybe this years crap summer is down to Brexit too?

No one, as far as I can see, is blaming Brexit for all of this airport crisis, and certainly not Adam. If they are they are wrong.

 

[Deleted member 49]

By Europe, do you meant the EU Countries of Europe?

If no, then, what has Brexit got to do with it?

If yes, then, if their "home" countries are short of staff in various industries, why would those people come here to work, rather than stay in their 'home" Country (higher pay, cheaper cost of living, perhaps, no, cannot be that, Tories have forced wages down and raised cost of living).

Do I say it was all to do with Brexit or did I mention paying decent wages ?

I am not supporting Brexit, but, let us not blame it for everything, maybe this years crap summer is down to Brexit too?

It's June the 9th here so officially summer hasn't started.Maybe different where you are.