Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[jowwy]

As you would be entitled to do. Happily many people who did vote leave realise what a shootshow it is and would change their mind.
But - given that you have no intention of changing your mind, don't want to engage in rational interesting discourse by providing examples and counter arguments -

What's the point of your contribution to the thread?

If you are right - convince us. We are here to be converted to your cause.
I wait with baited breath for your manifesto.

Ive given my answers a few pages ago - i dont need or have the will to expand on them.

 

[jowwy]

The difference is that "remoaners" can provide shed loads of well evidenced, well thought out arguments that Brexit is wrong and has damaged the UK. They can produce countless well regarded experts in multiple fields who can argue well thought out cases that Brexit is causing lasting damage.

Meanwhile all "brexiteers" have to offer is "it's too early to tell yet" and "blue passports, pounds and ounces, lions on pint glasses" (all of which could have been done without Brexit) whilst the less savvy Brexiteers ignore the dangerous legislation that is being passed to remove their rights and make the richest, sleeziest elements of society richer and sleezier.

I dont really care what so called expert evidence remainers can provide……its either from a european stand point or from a remainers stand point.


as for the last line……that may have been boris’s legislation, but hes not the PM anymore and i think policy will change…or maybe i hope policy will change, i mean it would if labour got in via a gen election, which i think should now take place. But we all know it wont.

 

[Mugshot]

I dont really care what so called expert evidence remainers can provide……its either from a european stand point or from a remainers stand point.

The government's own assessment was that every version of brexit would damage the UK.
The government's own independent assessors have concluded that Brexit will cause more economic damage than Covid.
There's plenty more if you take your blinkers off.

Not really expert remainers.

 

[jowwy]

The government's own assessment was that every version of brexit would damage the UK.
The government's own independent assessors have concluded that Brexit will cause more economic damage than Covid.
There's plenty more if you take your blinkers off.

Not really expert remainers.

Im blinkered - sheesh…..have you read the 180 pages of this thread, even the OP has darker blinkers, than desert orchid.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Ive given my answers a few pages ago - i dont need or have the will to expand on them.

Could anything make you change your mind, though?

Serious question - circumstances change over time & sometimes what seemed like the right thing to do also changes - for example, I live in Scotland & voted 'no' in the 2014 independence referendum. Everything that's happened in the UK since has made me completely change my position on that. That makes me able to accept that as far as Brexit's concerned, in theory it's possible something could happen or change in the future to make me decide leaving the EU was a good thing after all.

I couldn't begin to guess what that might be, but for me holding onto a fixed, entrenched position in a changing world would be irrational.

 

[icowden]

even the OP has darker blinkers, than desert orchid.

The OP is a farmer who has direct experience of the problems of Brexit.

 

[Mugshot]

Im blinkered - sheesh…..have you read the 180 pages of this thread, even the OP has darker blinkers, than desert orchid.

I just gave you two examples that are precisely the opposite of your claim that it is remainers that say Brexit is bad, there are others, you choose to ignore that.

Blinkered.

 

[jowwy]

Could anything make you change your mind, though?

Serious question - circumstances change over time & sometimes what seemed like the right thing to do also changes - for example, I live in Scotland & voted 'no' in the 2014 independence referendum. Everything that's happened in the UK since has made me completely change my position on that. That makes me able to accept that as far as Brexit's concerned, in theory it's possible something could happen or change in the future to make me decide leaving the EU was a good thing after all.

I couldn't begin to guess what that might be, but for me holding onto a fixed, entrenched position in a changing world would be irrational.

NO…you dont know me personally, so have no clue of my persona. So give it a rest

 

[AndyRM]

Im blinkered - sheesh…..have you read the 180 pages of this thread, even the OP has darker blinkers, than desert orchid.

You seem to have. But yeah, a horse that died years ago. Cool.

 

[jowwy]

The OP is a farmer who has direct experience of the problems of Brexit.

you mean the farmer with a well paid expanse of staff ( her words, not mine) and is still yet to tell us what a disservice brexit has done to her.

 

[Xipe Totec]

NO…you dont know me personally, so have no clue of my persona. So give it a rest

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable, non-antagonistic question, but there you go.

I'm not completely convinced you bothered to read beyond the start of my post but anyway - absolute worst suspicions confirmed right there, beyond the faintest shadow of a doubt.

 

[icowden]

you mean the farmer with a well paid expanse of staff ( her words, not mine) and is still yet to tell us what a disservice brexit has done to her.

@mudsticks has posted multiple times as to the effects of Brexit. I believe she is in a fortunate position farming wise, but she certainly hasn't been quiet about Brexit impact. Are you reading the forum?

 

[BoldonLad]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. And I don't understand why you want my opinion on something which a) I am not an expert in, b) I have already written a paragraph on explaining my opinion and c) is irrelevant to the wider point I'm making.

In case you're wondering, one of the issues I have with Brexit and with this government is that they spend far too much time and effort courting favour with dickheads on the internet and not enough time and effort considering what the wisest course of action is at any given point in time and proceeding whenceforth.

Humour me, perhaps, I value your (perhaps inexpert) opinion?

I read your other posts, where you express an opinion on subjects other than biochemistry, why wouldn't I be interested in your opinion on this subject?

just a little recap, in case you have forgotten the question, which was "how do you feel Brexit influenced the UK response to the invasion of Ukraine? (excluding the rather obvious that Boris may not have been PM, except for Brexit"

 

[BoldonLad]

I thought it was a perfectly reasonable, non-antagonistic question, but there you go.

I'm not completely convinced you bothered to read beyond the start of my post but anyway - absolute worst suspicions confirmed right there, beyond the faintest shadow of a doubt.

Isn't it odd that such questions appear to be the most difficult ones to answer?

 

[winjim]

Humour me, perhaps, I value your (perhaps inexpert) opinion?

I read your other posts, where you express an opinion on subjects other than biochemistry, why wouldn't I be interested in your opinion on this subject?

just a little recap, in case you have forgotten the question, which was "how do you feel Brexit influenced the UK response to the invasion of Ukraine? (excluding the rather obvious that Boris may not have been PM, except for Brexit"

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On this forum I've largely avoided giving my opinion on the war in Ukraine. Have you noticed, and have you thought why that might be?